Virgin for the first Time, Popping the Cherry

[MickT]

I see monsters in the gym and they fucking scare me.

I've been working out and lifting hard and heavy my whole life, 39 years old I'm 6'1 solid 250 but nowhere near the size and look I want. I've read a ton of post and am lost when it comes to the abbreviations, Please dumb it down for me, I can out lift everyone in the fkn gym but am tired of looking like a shrimp next to some of these guys. Here is my cycle


100mg testosterone propionate
100mg trembolone acetate (fina)
100mg drostanolole decanoate (masteron


Keep it simple, I have 1cc syringe 1in 25g needles how much and when should I take and for how long?

Thanks Fellas
MickT

 

[scorob777]

Don't do that for your first run, or even fifth or sixth. For a lot of good reasons.

First cycle:

Week 1 to 12 - 500 mg/wk Test Cyp or Enanthate - shoot 250 mg 2x per week
Week 1 to 15 - Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD or adex 0.25 mg EOD
Week 1 to 15 - HCG 250 IU 2x per week
Week 16 to 17 - clomid 50 mg/day, nolvadex 40 mg/day
Week 18 to 20 - clomid 25 mg/day, nolvadex 20 mg/day

Week #0 get blood testing to establish baseline test, E2, LH, and FSH
Week #8 get blood testing to see if you need more or less aromasin or adex

Then take 20 weeks off, and repeat.

 

[IMT]

Welcome man! what is your bf%? all that tankmanbob said, perfect advice.

 

[MickT]

Don't do that for your first run, or even fifth or sixth. For a lot of good reasons.

First cycle:

Week 1 to 12 - 500 mg/wk Test Cyp or Enanthate - shoot 250 mg 2x per week
Week 1 to 15 - Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD or adex 0.25 mg EOD
Week 1 to 15 - HCG 250 IU 2x per week
Week 16 to 17 - clomid 50 mg/day, nolvadex 40 mg/day
Week 18 to 20 - clomid 25 mg/day, nolvadex 20 mg/day

Week #0 get blood testing to establish baseline test, E2, LH, and FSH
Week #8 get blood testing to see if you need more or less aromasin or adex

Then take 20 weeks off, and repeat.

Tank thanks for the Pro tips, solid advice.

Assuming EOD= End Of Day?

Let me get this correct, I would be taking Test>Aromasin/Adex>and HCG? @ those doses at the same time? At week 16 start the Clomid and Nolvadex then back the dose down on weeks 18 to 20.. Take 20 weeks off and repeat?

Blood test completed for week #0. what are the lvls we are looking for E2,LH and FSH?

Hovering around 20%bf

 

[Milton]

Tank thanks for the Pro tips, solid advice.

Assuming EOD= End Of Day?

Let me get this correct, I would be taking Test>Aromasin/Adex>and HCG? @ those doses at the same time? At week 16 start the Clomid and Nolvadex then back the dose down on weeks 18 to 20.. Take 20 weeks off and repeat?

Blood test completed for week #0. what are the lvls we are looking for E2,LH and FSH?

Hovering around 20%bf

EOD = Every other day. what are you doing to get your bf% down? its way to high my man.

 

[MickT]

EOD = Every other day. what are you doing to get your bf% down? its way to high my man.

Nothing as of Late, I eat/Lift heavy weight and repeat.

 

[MickT]

Nothing as of late,

I eat big lift big and repeat. I've been trying to break all kinds of plateaus. Yes I have read the beginners guide sticky thread https://steroidology.com/forum/a...rition-3j.html... In my original post I had mentioned that I was going to take Tren/Test/Mast..for size/water retention this advice was given from some quote other steroid users. However Tank gave imo gave far better advice sooooo... Any suggestions? I am no stranger to the gym its everyday, 20% yes is High however I'm Not Fat/obese by my standards. Bodybuilding standards I'm a lard ass....Tired of the the Natural shit, want real gains and shredding power. But again IMO Tank gave solid advice and am willing use his plan... Seems a bit more thought out and professional...

Any Suggestions?

 

[scorob777]

Tank thanks for the Pro tips, solid advice.

Assuming EOD= End Of Day?

Let me get this correct, I would be taking Test>Aromasin/Adex>and HCG? @ those doses at the same time? At week 16 start the Clomid and Nolvadex then back the dose down on weeks 18 to 20.. Take 20 weeks off and repeat?

Blood test completed for week #0. what are the lvls we are looking for E2,LH and FSH?

Hovering around 20%bf

EOD is every other day

Test is split into two shots per week, 3.5 days apart, I do Tuesday evening and Saturday morning. Same for HCG, it's a different shot as it is water based.

For the blood test you are doing it to establish your pre-cycle levels, so you can see if after PCT and some time you have bounced back.

 

[tbonexl]

Tank laid out a great cycle plan for you.
You will have to be more careful managing estrogen with higher bodyfat. Your still ok to run a cycle just watch estrogen sides and make sure your ai dose is dialed in.

 

[jp4355]

Tankmanbob gave you some Great Advice in both of his posts.

I just want to touch on why you need to get that Body Fat down.
Higher Body Fat = Higher Natural Estrogen.
Add in Testosterone which Converts to Estrogen, and now you could have a Real Problem.
Especially since it's your 1st Cycle.
Higher Estrogen can result in Water Retention and Blood Pressure Spikes.
And it will make Dosing your AI (Personally I use Aromasin), more Difficult, since you have No Experience with this.

Lastly ~ the Higher your Body Fat when you start a Cycle.
The more Strain on your Heart/Kidneys/and Liver.
So this is why you want to get your Body Fat as Low as Possible before starting your 1st Cycle....................... JP

 

[MickT]

When you say AI your referring to? the estrogen blocker correct? How do you dial it in? Just asking I have because I have no flkng clue. I guess I could ask a pharmacist?

 

[scorob777]

When you say AI your referring to? the estrogen blocker correct? How do you dial it in? Just asking I have because I have no flkng clue. I guess I could ask a pharmacist?

AI is aromatse inhibitor. It inhibits the enzyme in your body that converts testosterone to estrogen.

For how to dial it in, ask your bros. If you do the cycle I suggested it starts you off at 12.5mg aromasin EOD or 0.25 adex EOD. This is a time tested rule of thumb that should be close. The testosterone will take between 6 (for enanthate) to 8 (for cypionate) to build up in your system, so you'd want to wait for mid-cycle blood testing until those weeks - then get tested for estradiol.

What works for you is individual, but typically you'll see people say 23 to mid-30's pg/mL. When you get your testing done post the results and people can help you adjust the AI dose up or down.

FYI, one of the reasons you don't want to do the Test, Tren, Mast cycle you posted is you want to figure out the estrogen control part before you ever attempt such a thing.

 

[MickT]

AI is aromatse inhibitor. It inhibits the enzyme in your body that converts testosterone to estrogen.

For how to dial it in, ask your bros. If you do the cycle I suggested it starts you off at 12.5mg aromasin EOD or 0.25 adex EOD. This is a time tested rule of thumb that should be close. The testosterone will take between 6 (for enanthate) to 8 (for cypionate) to build up in your system, so you'd want to wait for mid-cycle blood testing until those weeks - then get tested for estradiol.

What works for you is individual, but typically you'll see people say 23 to mid-30's pg/mL. When you get your testing done post the results and people can help you adjust the AI dose up or down.

FYI, one of the reasons you don't want to do the Test, Tren, Mast cycle you posted is you want to figure out the estrogen control part before you ever attempt such a thing.

Tank, your too funny.

The jokers I workout with, from the sounds of it they haven't the slightest idea. You say the Test will take 6 and 8 to build up? as in WEEKS? Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Is is the Enanthate or Cyp better in you opinion?

I will post the results mid cycle, From the BW I just received Test was very low again prolly explains a host of whole other issues I was having and never really new it. Anyhow I'll post a pic of the results, I'm guessing they didn't test for E2,LH or FSH. Again thanks for the help.

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[scorob777]

Tank, your too funny.

The jokers I workout with, from the sounds of it they haven't the slightest idea. You say the Test will take 6 and 8 to build up? as in WEEKS? Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Is is the Enanthate or Cyp better in you opinion?

I will post the results mid cycle, From the BW I just received Test was very low again prolly explains a host of whole other issues I was having and never really new it. Anyhow I'll post a pic of the results, I'm guessing they didn't test for E2,LH or FSH. Again thanks for the help.

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Yes for testosterone to build up near maximum levels is 6 weeks for enanthate and 8 weeks for cypionate. It's not good or bad, just how it is with long esters. If you used Test Propionate you'd be up at max in about a week, but the downside is it costs more than twice as much per gram and you have to inject is every other day instead of every 3.5 days. For your first run you'd feel like a pin cushion. Prop also bleeds out of your system fast, so you can PCT sooner after you stop.

As far as E vs C? I'd give a slight edge to enanthate, but they are really close. Enanthate's half life is 10 to 10.5 days, and cyp is 12 days, so you'd be hard pressed to tell a difference.

Sorry about the ask your bros, what I meant was this board. Don't ask your pharmacist.

 

[PapaNoel]

As far as E vs C? I'd give a slight edge to enanthate, but they are really close. Enanthate's half life is 10 to 10.5 days, and cyp is 12 days, so you'd be hard pressed to tell a difference.

Was browsing the myogen sponsor site just now and noticed that all test ester except enanthate is Hepatotoxic. (Big news for me as I thought no test was Hepatotoxic)
How much more "dangerous" are the other esters ?

@MickT. Just like tankman, I'd recommend against using prop, it gets old really really fast to inject every single day.

 

[Milton]

Here is a great read on that https://www.steroidology.com/the-science-of-testosterone-enanthate-made-easy/

 

[PapaNoel]

Here is a great read on that https://www.steroidology.com/the-science-of-testosterone-enanthate-made-easy/

Perfect read, just what I needed. Thanks milton!!!

 

[MickT]

Here is a great read on that https://steroidology.com/the-science-of-testosterone-enanthate-made-easy

Great Read Milton and good looking out mate, Appreciate the Link.

Was browsing the myogen sponsor site just now and noticed that all test ester except enanthate is Hepatotoxic. (Big news for me as I thought no test was Hepatotoxic)
How much more "dangerous" are the other esters ?

@MickT. Just like tankman, I'd recommend against using prop, it gets old really really fast to inject every single day.

E is now in the cart for next delivery. Always had a thing against gear until now, was always pissed at you guys. Always seems like I had to work longer and harder for the same results and never look as good. Body-wise I was always behind the eight ball. Older and wiser now I'm guessing. Took my first dose on the 19th not sure if it was placebo, but I've felt amazing since. Felt a bit sluggish today in the gym almost like coming down. Hmm? Wondering if the first pin brought me to normal range? My body just absorbed that shit like dehydrated sponge to water.

What the fuck was I ever thinking? I'll run this cycle and see what happens.

 

[MickT]

Don't do that for your first run, or even fifth or sixth. For a lot of good reasons.

First cycle:

Week 1 to 12 - 500 mg/wk Test Cyp or Enanthate - shoot 250 mg 2x per week
Week 1 to 15 - Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD or adex 0.25 mg EOD
Week 1 to 15 - HCG 250 IU 2x per week
Week 16 to 17 - clomid 50 mg/day, nolvadex 40 mg/day
Week 18 to 20 - clomid 25 mg/day, nolvadex 20 mg/day

Week #0 get blood testing to establish baseline test, E2, LH, and FSH
Week #8 get blood testing to see if you need more or less aromasin or adex

Then take 20 weeks off, and repeat.

So .25 anastrozole/Adex. I only have the 1mg capsules how the hell is this going to work? I might just open the capsule divide int in quarters and snort.. lol jk on the snort. What say you?

Thanks
MT

 

[jp4355]

When you say AI your referring to? the estrogen blocker correct? How do you dial it in? Just asking I have because I have no flkng clue. I guess I could ask a pharmacist?

Yes, an AI is the Estrogen Blocker or Aromatase Inhibitor.
Starting Doses are usually 0.5 Mg of Arimidex or 12.5 Mg of Aromasin every other day.
This will vary by individual and amount of Test per week, but the above is a good starting point.

Keeping a Journal of your AAS Doses and AI Doses, and any Side Effects will also help.
So if you notice that you are Bloating or your Blood Pressure is Elevated, this is usually an Indication of High Estrogen.
If your Lips and Skin are Dry/Dehydration, and you notice your Joints are starting to Ache, this is usually Low Estrogen.
Loss of Libido is again usually from High Estro, but you can have problems with Erections from Low Estro.

Then at Mid-Cycle, you want to do Bloodwork to check your Estrogen.
At Age 39, the Optimum Level for Estrogen is 25.7 Pg/ml ~ these Levels go by age, older you are, the Less Estro.
For Guys from 20 to 29 ~ 28 Pg/ml is Optimum.
Of course, you don't need to Nail these Numbers, but you want to be close.
Then you could adjust your AI, if needed.

Lastly, I just want to touch on the Half-Lives of Test Enanthate and Cypionate.
It takes any Hormone between 4 to 5 Half-Lives to reach Peak Blood Plasma Levels.
Test Enanthate has a Half-Life of 10.5 Days.
Test Cypionate has a Half-Life of 8 Days, and Not 12 Days as you often see on different Forums.

This Half-Life for Test Cypionate is from the FDA prescribing Info from Pfizer Pharmaceutical.
Go down to the bottom of Page 1 ~ Pharmacokinetics Section....................................... JP

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2015/085635s030lbl.pdf