So i am looking for advice on a cycle. my goal is to put on mass. i have used a couple pro hormones in the past and i am thinking about trying real stuff. I've been researching for a little while and reading stuff on various forums and was just wanting direct advice. Any help would be awesome!
Wanting to move from PH to the real deal
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Iron Giant
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You'll get more responses if you provide us with a "purposed cycle" so we know you've done your homework and even more importantly, your stats so we can assess if you are indeed ready. Cheers gov.
Okay well i am 5'10 at 165 pounds. When i first started weight lifting i was like a Holocaust victim at 5'10 and 115 pounds. i have a very fast metabolism making any gains i get very hard to achieve. i can eat so much that it turns eating into almost a chore and barely see any weight gain. the only time i had any real size results was when i used sus500 a couple years ago before it was banned. sus500 was busted for having some tren in it i am pretty sure. my weight goal is 185 pounds and ive been stuck at 165 for quite awhile.
ive been reading that beginners should use test only at 300mg to 500 mg per week for up to 12 weeks and then post cycle therapy (pct). i dont know if i would wanna run it for a full 12 weeks maybe 8 to 10 but honestly i would prefer some type of oral.
ive been reading that beginners should use test only at 300mg to 500 mg per week for up to 12 weeks and then post cycle therapy (pct). i dont know if i would wanna run it for a full 12 weeks maybe 8 to 10 but honestly i would prefer some type of oral.
Iron Giant
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You forgot the most important stat of all...your age! 8-10 weeks isn't enough with test-e/c; it takes 4 weeks to build in your blood and 6 weeks to peak. That is why when using long esters we recommend 12 weeks. Test-p (short ester) you could run for 10 weeks, but that's not the best choice for a fist cycle because you'll be pinning EOD and there is considerable pip. PCT will be the same regardless, clomid @ 50/50/50/50 and nolva @ 40/40/20/20 with hcg at your discretion. When to start PCT changes though, based on if your using long or short ester gear.
So for my PCT i was looking into
100/100/100/50 Clomid (50mg taken twice per day for 3 weeks then 50mg once a day for week 4)
Forma Stanzol
and HGC.
So i was reading conflicting things on hgc and wanted to know what you guys think.
Some things i was reading are saying to take it during your cycle to keep you boys alive the whole time and help with libido
and the other was to start taking the last week of your cycle and then run it for 3 weeks
just curious what you guys thought
100/100/100/50 Clomid (50mg taken twice per day for 3 weeks then 50mg once a day for week 4)
Forma Stanzol
and HGC.
So i was reading conflicting things on hgc and wanted to know what you guys think.
Some things i was reading are saying to take it during your cycle to keep you boys alive the whole time and help with libido
and the other was to start taking the last week of your cycle and then run it for 3 weeks
just curious what you guys thought
I'm 21 probably when i run this 22. I would prefer to take a long ester since you have to inject less time per week. i know with a long ester you have to give it like a week or two before you start your pct after your last injection?
Iron Giant
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21/22 is still to young in my opinion (and many on here will agree). If you were 22 & your stats were something like 5'10 & 210+Lbs with single digit BF then I would be all like "hell yeah, do it up!" I would wait until 23 at the earliest and continue trying to pack on mass naturally until then. You should be able to hit 175/180 by that time.
If your doing long ester run 12 weeks, 10 is a waste. I don't know why you're against nolva for pct, but you can get away with clomid & forma; it's sub optimal compared to clomid & nolva. Your PCT starts 14-16 days after your last jab of test and I recommend clomid @ 50/50/50/50 (50mg ED for 4 weeks) and Nolva @ 40/40/20/20 (40mg ED for the first 2 weeks, 20mg for the following 2 weeks). HCG can be taken many different ways (all cycle, the last 4-5 weeks of cycle, or blasted), just don't run it during pct (you need to stop hcg 4 days prior to pct). I would blast hcg for 10 days @ 500iu/day following your last jab of test and stopping 4 days before pct (make sure you know how to reconstitute and store hcg).
If your doing long ester run 12 weeks, 10 is a waste. I don't know why you're against nolva for pct, but you can get away with clomid & forma; it's sub optimal compared to clomid & nolva. Your PCT starts 14-16 days after your last jab of test and I recommend clomid @ 50/50/50/50 (50mg ED for 4 weeks) and Nolva @ 40/40/20/20 (40mg ED for the first 2 weeks, 20mg for the following 2 weeks). HCG can be taken many different ways (all cycle, the last 4-5 weeks of cycle, or blasted), just don't run it during pct (you need to stop hcg 4 days prior to pct). I would blast hcg for 10 days @ 500iu/day following your last jab of test and stopping 4 days before pct (make sure you know how to reconstitute and store hcg).
Big Hungry
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With a high metabolism u might get with 3j in the diet section have him get u set up for a good clean bulk diet. U will get good results with that, then after 6 months try other stuff.
