What are the chances of....

[MikeShlort]

After one proper cycle.. around 500mg of testosterone /week. For 8 weeks. Proper AI's while injecting, with a proper PCT, taking off more time than was on the cycle.

What are the chances of still not returning to your natural levels?

This terrifies me. The idea of my testicles atrophying due to not being used, then not returning to their former glory after I come off. Needing testosterone replacement therapy the rest of my life. Makes me feel sick thinking of it. Only side effect stopping me.

What are the chances? And don't bullshit me. I realize this site is very pro-steroid but unbiased opinions please.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

I think the chances are really slim to fail recovery. Assuming you do everything correctly (mainly PCT) you should be fine. Think about how many hundreds and hundreds of people on here cycle 2-3 times a year and never run into any trouble. Obviously if you keep cycling for years unless your real lucky you will end up eventually having low test at some point. But unless your horribly unlicky, fuck up your PCT, are really stupid or a combination of all three... One or two cycles won't do much damage at all. At least nothing noticeable anyway.

If testicular atrophy frightens you - use HCG throughout cycle. It will help your "chances" of recovering aswell. HCG maintains testicular function so they won't atrophy.

So lets see if you are doing everything right tho lol, what does your proposed protocol look like? Inc what ester of test, which AI, and what your doing for PCT and we can let you know if its good to go or not. Also your stats; including age, weight, bf%, height

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Also i was assuming you haven't cycles yet, but if you have include what you ran n how long etc...

 

[tbonexl]

If your planning an 8 week cycle, I hope your planning to use test prop. That's every other day injections.
Why don't u read up some more before drawing to conclusions...

 

[MikeShlort]

If your planning an 8 week cycle, I hope your planning to use test prop. That's every other day injections.
Why don't u read up some more before drawing to conclusions...

Propionate is my ideal because of the lack of bloating. But I have heard that injection points get very sore. Seeings as how I've never injected this stuff before, I'm not sure committing to something that needs to be injected every other day is a good idea. On the other hand, if I have 4 different injection sites, that means it will be over a week before I have to pin the same spot again. That isn't what my concern is.

27
6ft
175 lbs
15% bf roughly
skinny by nature, but have a nice foundation build. Problem is the one day a week I can't eat enough or get improper sleep etc. fucks me up because my body is not meant to be any bigger while still being lean. Macros won't be an issue while on test because it utilizes nutrients more efficiently and guards against muscle wasting - perfect. I bet it increases appetite too.

Either test enanthate or propionate 8 weeks (12 weeks scares me)
Arimidex
Finasteide possibly for hair loss prevention

PCT - nolvadex and clomid
milk thistle for liver

This is a rough idea of what I'll be doing, much more research needs to be done. I immediately stopped research once I kept reading pages, posts, and videos that it is possible to ruin your natural testosterone production from one cycle, even with proper measures.

I even considered igf1 lr3 and/or ghrp-6 as an alternative to something that will mess with my libido and testosterone production but the former seems like it could cause cancer and they both need to be injected way too often.

Also, I'm going to see Dr. this week to check test levels and talk to him about it. See if he can refer me to someone who deals with this sort of thing.

 

[tbonexl]

If your only doing an 8 week cycle, your basically stuck with test prop. Test e & c should be ran for 12 weeks minimum.

 

[snowpatrol123]

After one proper cycle.. around 500mg of testosterone /week. For 8 weeks. Proper AI's while injecting, with a proper PCT, taking off more time than was on the cycle.

What are the chances of still not returning to your natural levels?

This terrifies me. The idea of my testicles atrophying due to not being used, then not returning to their former glory after I come off. Needing testosterone replacement therapy the rest of my life. Makes me feel sick thinking of it. Only side effect stopping me.

What are the chances? And don't bullshit me. I realize this site is very pro-steroid but unbiased opinions please.

No bullshit: If you're terrified of TRT don't cycle. There's a non-zero risk that will be the outcome. Whether you go 8 or 12 weeks.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Propionate is my ideal because of the lack of bloating. But I have heard that injection points get very sore. Seeings as how I've never injected this stuff before, I'm not sure committing to something that needs to be injected every other day is a good idea. On the other hand, if I have 4 different injection sites, that means it will be over a week before I have to pin the same spot again. That isn't what my concern is.

27
6ft
175 lbs
15% bf roughly
skinny by nature, but have a nice foundation build. Problem is the one day a week I can't eat enough or get improper sleep etc. fucks me up because my body is not meant to be any bigger while still being lean. Macros won't be an issue while on test because it utilizes nutrients more efficiently and guards against muscle wasting - perfect. I bet it increases appetite too.

Either test enanthate or propionate 8 weeks (12 weeks scares me)
Arimidex
Finasteide possibly for hair loss prevention

PCT - nolvadex and clomid
milk thistle for liver

This is a rough idea of what I'll be doing, much more research needs to be done. I immediately stopped research once I kept reading pages, posts, and videos that it is possible to ruin your natural testosterone production from one cycle, even with proper measures.

I even considered igf1 lr3 and/or ghrp-6 as an alternative to something that will mess with my libido and testosterone production but the former seems like it could cause cancer and they both need to be injected way too often.

Also, I'm going to see Dr. this week to check test levels and talk to him about it. See if he can refer me to someone who deals with this sort of thing.

Prop is okay for 8weeks. I suggest going witb enanthate though, good to get used to pinning first. Your first pin in each virgin muscle will hurt a bit more post injection than normal. Enanthate needs to be run for 12 weeks though. Its not really a heavier cycle than propcat 8 weeks as you'll basically spend the same amount of time at full levels. Enanthate just takes a lil longer to get there.

Milk thistle isn't the best for liver protection. You'd be much better off using NAC (N-actyle cystein.)

Dont tell your doc your gonna use juice if you live in the states.. Your medical records aren't as private as you think. You can be denied health insurance etc. if its in your records.

Dont get me wrong. There is ALWAYS a risk of permanent shutdown, but however slim that chance may be its a possibility you have to be ready to accept should it happen. If not then don't do it.

What are your dosing protocols for nolva/clomid PCT? Whats your proposed dose for arimidex?

I agree you need to do more research before starting, but you have plenty of time. This isn't something to rush into. Also i'd suggest working on your diet first, you should be able to add a lot more mass naturally before starting.

 

[3J]

i disagree with the slim chance bit..

its really a genetic thing.. individualized..

i will tell you.. those that do run more than one cycle usually end up on HRT.. unless the genetics are good many end up on hrt

 

[Chicago712]

My suggestion is that u can easily get to 200+ natty easily and since your only 175 there has to be something you need to work on with your diet before jumping on gear..

Also the propionate ester does not cause less water retention

 

[PrinceDianabol]

i disagree with the slim chance bit..

its really a genetic thing.. individualized..

i will tell you.. those that do run more than one cycle usually end up on HRT.. unless the genetics are good many end up on hrt

Fair enough. I agree it is individualized, for sure.

OP, this is the guy to contact whilst your still researching/thinkin about gear use. 3J does an awesome job of diet, will help you put on heaps of mass before you ever need to touch drugs.

 

[Captncavematt]

If you know the risks and the thought of those risks bug you that much, then it's probably not for you. In my experience people are capable of achieving much more that they believe they are, without drugs, but they lack the discipline to fulfill their natural potential. Drugs will not make up for that. Not saying that is what you have going on. Just sayin.

 

[MikeShlort]

If you know the risks and the thought of those risks bug you that much, then it's probably not for you. In my experience people are capable of achieving much more that they believe they are, without drugs, but they lack the discipline to fulfill their natural potential. Drugs will not make up for that. Not saying that is what you have going on. Just sayin.

I already eat like a pig and train consistently and with conviction. I look pretty dirty when I flex. But I am also extremely interested in the psychological benefits to supplementing with test.

I really don't understand why a healthy male wouldn't bounce back. Maybe my Dr. will refer me to someone who has experience with HRT, give me some solid numbers and medical explanations.

 

[snowpatrol123]

I already eat like a pig and train consistently and with conviction. I look pretty dirty when I flex. But I am also extremely interested in the psychological benefits to supplementing with test.

I really don't understand why a healthy male wouldn't bounce back. Maybe my Dr. will refer me to someone who has experience with HRT, give me some solid numbers and medical explanations.

Good luck with that

 

[MikeShlort]

Good luck with that

Thank you. I really hope it works out for me because I'm dying to start wearing spaghetti strap tank tops

 

[Chicago712]

I already eat like a pig and train consistently and with conviction. I look pretty dirty when I flex. But I am also extremely interested in the psychological benefits to supplementing with test.

I really don't understand why a healthy male wouldn't bounce back. Maybe my Dr. will refer me to someone who has experience with HRT, give me some solid numbers and medical explanations.

I call bullshit on eating like a pig seeing as your 175 at 6'.... my advice would be dial in your training and dieting before jumpin on gear...

can you post some pictures of where your at currently...

I'd spend the money you were going to on your cycle and spend it on 3J and have him customize a plan for you

 

[snowpatrol123]

spaghetti strap tank tops

You don't know what you're missing - the gunshow has cardio bunnies jizzing their pants left right and centre.+

Edit: mostly joking btw

 

[MikeShlort]

I call bullshit on eating like a pig seeing as your 175 at 6'.... my advice would be dial in your training and dieting before jumpin on gear...

can you post some pictures of where your at currently...

I'd spend the money you were going to on your cycle and spend it on 3J and have him customize a plan for you

Ya sure. My wrists are no more than 7" in circumference. Keep in mind I have a tiny frame. I've made it to 195lbs before, but I was puffy with a fat face, and would eat until I gagged. Not my idea of a good life.

Only recent pic I have is one I send to girls so pardon my cropped out hog. I feel this is the largest I can be and still see abs. (I don't do isolation exercises, just dead, squat, bench, press, row). My goals are actually strength, with it will come overall physique and size. Basically want to look how I do now, only a bigger, more defined and much stronger. I'm not looking to do isolations to get every single muscle in my body swole.

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[MikeShlort]

You don't know what you're missing - the gunshow has cardio bunnies jizzing their pants left right and centre.

Wish it would let me like this comment

 

[MikeShlort]

4 eggs
4 pc bacon (side or back)
3/4 cup oatmeal or pancake 7" in diameter (w syrup)
Apple
Banana
Shake with fresh berries, whole milk, frozen yogurt, scoop waxy maize, 1 scoop protein (23-28G)

1 can tuna w/ regular mayo
handful spinach
1 carrot
5 cherry tomatoes
4 pc brocolli
3 pc bok choy
200ml 2% cottage cheese
200ml 2% greek yogurt w/ fresh berries
8 almonds, 8 cashews, 8 pistachios, 8 walnuts

Banana w/ natural peanut butter (lots)

While training - Carb drink (35g)
Post workout - Protein (23-28g) - sometimes 35g carbs added

Steak little smaller than palm of my hand or chicken breast or drumsticks or big piece of salmon
2 pc brocolli
1 carrot
3 cherry tomatoes
2 pc bok choy
handful spinach
200-250ml cottage cheese

slow release protein scoop (30g?) with whole milk

That is what I eat in a day. Usually bang on. Some days a bit more, rare days a bit less.

You telling me I have to eat more than that every day? How? Sleep less? Stretch my stomach with rocks? Insanity.