What do you guys think about this?

[Electrisio]

Hi all,

I have posted on this forums a few times over the last few years about my problems and now would like some advice about what to do given the following information.

In short my story is that I took a 6 week DBOL course when I was 19. I am now 21. Basically I'm in a bit of situation which is not terrible but it is pretty unsatisfactory. My last blood test was in September which tested at 586 NG/DL which is pretty mid range, a number which in theory shouldn't be an issue (Note - I don't have a pre cycle number). I have suffered from some symptoms which haven't seemed to fully disappear such as mild testicular atrophy, mild fatigue, mild anxiety and reduced semen quality (although this has improved a bit). I don't feel like the spring chicken that I was.

I have also suffered from ED and low libido, however I am very sure that this was originally caused by the cycle but more recently has been a case of PIED (which is porn induced ED - a phenomena being seen by many young men and is reversible).

I believe that I have suppressed my HPTA to a degree, although not completely shut-down. I know that my 26 year old brother test is 730 NG/DL, which is 25% more then mine and I feel like mine should probably be towards that level. The main symptom which makes me believe I am mildly suppressed is the fact my semen quality is not what it once was.

My question is what would you guys do? Basically I'm not in a really shitty situation as the symptoms are mild, but at the same time I feel mentally distressed that I haven't maximized my physical potential and that this suppression may have generally lowered my quality of life.

 

[rikardo82]

after DBOL you took PCT? when symptoms started for which you complain? immediately after finishing dbol or later? Semen quality? Try not jerk off one week then see, it depend from nutrition as well eat brazil nuts - lot of selenium. I think testosterone form 700-586 should not cause any noticeable difference, and you even don't know your pre cycle values but that's just my theory... on other side maybe your levels were close to 1000 then you feel difference, what your brother have in my opinion does not mean much...

 

[Electrisio]

I did run a clomid/nolva PCT and did another clomid pct a few months after. In terms of semen quality I noticed a fairly rapid decline.... however it is better now then it was a year ago. But even now its definitely not as good as it was pre cycle. My brother is a pretty masculine/muscular guy in comparison to me, even when if compared at similiar ages. Then again he developed relatively early so perhaps if I didn't juice I would have potentially caught him up. Do you not believe the extra (estimated)25% would make much difference?

 

[halfwit]

Semen quality?


Is this on a "sliding" scale or something?

Oh man, I don't know where to even begin with this. For starters, no two guys will have the same testosterone levels, brothers or not. The time of day, stress, diet, physical composition, sleep patterns, and many other factors greatly influence your natural testosterone production.

Second, this whole porn induced crap is just that - crap. Yes, you can desensitize yourself by constantly watching videos of gorgeous women taking a pole in every orifice repeatedly, but causing actual erectile dysfunction? Let's just say your brain is very powerful, and if you convince yourself something is wrong, there WILL be.

I'm still stuck on the whole semen quality comment.

That's probably something the porn has changed your views on as gigantic globs of spooge just isn't something I'd worry about, ESPECIALLY when jerking off. I guess if you have a young lady that's complaining because you can't spray paint her off-white, you could start supplementing with lecithin, but otherwise, you're probably fine there.

Rikardo does bring up a valid point too. If you're flogging the ol' dolphin 8 times a day, the hardy boys are going to run out of love batter eventually. (I lost count at the number of euphemisms already)

Find a hobby, less smacking the pud (nothing wrong with playing the piccolo on the pink flute, but you *might* be going overboard), find a young lady (or man if that's your thing) , and worry less about your hormones. You dodged a bullet from running a crap cycle - be thankful that your junk still works imo.

My .02c

 

[Electrisio]

Semen quality - colour, viscosity and quantity. Just not what it used to be - less white, thinner and less volume - even with weeks of abstaining.... this is what makes me think I have suppressed myself

The PIED thing is an interesting one. I do actually believe just because I abstained from any sexual activity/porn for 4 weeks and suddenly noticed a gradual return of morning wood and pretty good libido which lasted for a couple of months... until I relapsed with porn (LOL). Typically abstaining is recommended for 3 months (and porn given up for good). I know the power of the mind s incredibly strong and don't doubt it could play a role.

 

[halfwit]

Semen quality - colour, viscosity and quantity. Just not what it used to be - less white, thinner and less volume - even with weeks of abstaining.... this is what makes me think I have suppressed myself

The PIED thing is an interesting one. I do actually believe just because I abstained from any sexual activity/porn for 4 weeks and suddenly noticed a gradual return of morning wood and pretty good libido which lasted for a couple of months... until I relapsed with porn (LOL). Typically abstaining is recommended for 3 months (and porn given up for good). I know the power of the mind s incredibly strong and don't doubt it could play a role.

Your diet is likely responsible for any changes to your semen. As someone that is completely 100% shut down, I notice zero difference in my goo with all things being equal.

I used to think this topic was really strange, but it keeps coming up. Must be a generational thing as we never took the time to stop after busting a nut to see what our sperm looked like on day to day basis.

 

[luckypaul]

I suggest finding a pornstar gf. Then watch what she does with those sick bastads, you know what Im saying, Getting mouth ****** by half a dozen hiv carring half fags. You should then yearn for the girl next door. If not , you will be a nice fit in the porn industry.

This....

 

[Teutonic]

Semen quality---damn boy..u must be more intimate with your "mess" than I....I almost asked " WTF ? How do you determine...taste it ?"

Seriously---women say they can tell if my diet s been radically changed...true story. When I do self administer sex...I can t get rid of..or grab a paper towel...quick enough...

 

[Mad- scientist]

A few things that helped me raise my natural testosterone in the past was working out regularly but not over training, eating a healthy diet, abstaining from alcohol,making sure to get 8 hours of sleep every night, taking multivitamins, taking fish oil, and going to bed and waking up at the same time every day. Basically just taking care of my self and trying to keep a schedule really helps. It doesn't sound like you have any really bad low testosterone symptoms though. Lol also turning 21 I imagine you might have started drinking a little bit more or going out and partying at bars if that is true at all I would stop because it won't help your testosterone levels at all. I would personally try the things I said for like 3 months, and then if you really feel the need to get your testosterone levels checked make sure to go get them checked in the morning.

 

[halfwit]

Semen quality---damn boy..u must be more intimate with your "mess" than I....I almost asked " WTF ? How do you determine...taste it ?"

Seriously---women say they can tell if my diet s been radically changed...true story. When I do self administer sex...I can t get rid of..or grab a paper towel...quick enough...

LOL, same brother. Funny thing is, I got the missus accustomed to "sour sprite", so when I changed things up to make it sweeter with pineapple and celery, she wasn't for it.

Never had to taste my own brew thankfully. I'll kiss if full completion doesn't happen, but getting "snowballed" isn't on my list haha.

 

[505jules]

Semen quality?


Is this on a "sliding" scale or something?

Oh man, I don't know where to even begin with this. For starters, no two guys will have the same testosterone levels, brothers or not. The time of day, stress, diet, physical composition, sleep patterns, and many other factors greatly influence your natural testosterone production.

Second, this whole porn induced crap is just that - crap. Yes, you can desensitize yourself by constantly watching videos of gorgeous women taking a pole in every orifice repeatedly, but causing actual erectile dysfunction? Let's just say your brain is very powerful, and if you convince yourself something is wrong, there WILL be.

I'm still stuck on the whole semen quality comment.

That's probably something the porn has changed your views on as gigantic globs of spooge just isn't something I'd worry about, ESPECIALLY when jerking off. I guess if you have a young lady that's complaining because you can't spray paint her off-white, you could start supplementing with lecithin, but otherwise, you're probably fine there.

Rikardo does bring up a valid point too. If you're flogging the ol' dolphin 8 times a day, the hardy boys are going to run out of love batter eventually. (I lost count at the number of euphemisms already)

Find a hobby, less smacking the pud (nothing wrong with playing the piccolo on the pink flute, but you *might* be going overboard), find a young lady (or man if that's your thing) , and worry less about your hormones. You dodged a bullet from running a crap cycle - be thankful that your junk still works imo.

My .02c

Half you just made my day. I honestly think that may be the third time I've been reading one of your posts while in public and awkwardly busted out laughing and now have a room full of people looking at me like an idiot. Thank you!