What do you think about this?

[DreDay187]

Here's my take on it:

AAS doesn't know what day of the week it is, and your body doesn't know what day of the week it is.

HOWEVER

Half lives are half lives. So if the half life of testosterone cypionate is ~12 days, and if you pin 500mg of test; you'll have around 333.71mg by the time you're ready for your next pin. If you pin 250mg E3.5D, you're at 204.24mg when it's time for your next pin; giving you 454.24mg. At the time you are ready for the next pin (same as the 7 day run), you'll be at 371.09mg (the half life of the first shot at 7 days = 166.85mg + 204.24mg from the second). As you can see, you actually benefit MORE from injecting more frequently.

E3.5D = 371.09mg
E7D = 333.71mg

Not sure on the science behind Bios3's claims, but I'd love to see the study he claims to have.

My .02c

Was also trying to say this but screwed it up royally hahaha ^^^. I too would like to see this study. Fuck, I'd be happy enough to just watch the video first!

 

[308power]

Here's my take on it:

AAS doesn't know what day of the week it is, and your body doesn't know what day of the week it is.

HOWEVER

Half lives are half lives. So if the half life of testosterone cypionate is ~12 days, and if you pin 500mg of test; you'll have around 333.71mg by the time you're ready for your next pin. If you pin 250mg E3.5D, you're at 204.24mg when it's time for your next pin; giving you 454.24mg. At the time you are ready for the next pin (same as the 7 day run), you'll be at 371.09mg (the half life of the first shot at 7 days = 166.85mg + 204.24mg from the second). As you can see, you actually benefit MORE from injecting more frequently.

E3.5D = 371.09mg
E7D = 333.71mg

Not sure on the science behind Bios3's claims, but I'd love to see the study he claims to have.

My .02c

But we arent talking about the end of the week. We are talking about being at higher test levels longer. So at the beginning of the second week, I pin 500mg of test, Im at 833 mg vs 620. So on thurday, you will pin again, and go to 710mg. While I have had 830 on monday, 790 tuesday, 750 wed, 710 thurs and then we are actually equal. So i just have four days were I have more test in my system than you, on the same weekly dose, and then we equal out on thursday...

 

[DreDay187]

Look at the graph in the upper left hand corner, from Anabolics 10th Ed.

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[Flynman]

All this math is making my Pea sized brain hurt......

 

[smittiot]

Look at the graph in the upper left hand corner, from Anabolics 10th Ed.

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The book also says it's a waste to run AAS past 8 weeks. At least from what I could read...

 

[DreDay187]

It doesn't say it's a waste, it says rate of muscle growth decreases after that point.

 

[smittiot]

It doesn't say it's a waste, it says rate of muscle growth decreases after that point.

Basically that was my interpretation of it. Wonder if that factored in delay for long esters?

 

[DreDay187]

Basically that was my interpretation of it. Wonder if that factored in delay for long esters?

Even a decreased rate of muscle growth on AAS after those 6-8wks would probably be faster than in physiological levels. My interpretation is that things just slow down. He does go in to say that after this decrease one can reach a true plateau and escalating dosages would be required to counteract this. But since escalating dosages come with their own set of problems it's recommended one comes off and does another cycle instead.

 

[Mad- scientist]

Ok this is my theory on that... I believe that it would equal out to better gains. But I also think that it would cause a lot of emotional instability and side effects. If I was to do that I think I would stick to a injection schedule of test e for example that is normal pinning twice a week lets say 500mgs. But than every week add in test suspension in whatever dosage you want on a particular day you are working out a body part that is lagging or needs to get bigger. Or just for the fuck of it to get bigger gains all around. When it comes to dosing steroids and seeking the best results for looks and performance health and side effects are least important in the eyes of the advanced user usually.

 

[halfwit]

But we arent talking about the end of the week. We are talking about being at higher test levels longer. So at the beginning of the second week, I pin 500mg of test, Im at 833 mg vs 620. So on thurday, you will pin again, and go to 710mg. While I have had 830 on monday, 790 tuesday, 750 wed, 710 thurs and then we are actually equal. So i just have four days were I have more test in my system than you, on the same weekly dose, and then we equal out on thursday...

I was hoping you weren't going to make me figure out more half life decays going past the first week haha. Admittedly I got lost trying to do it all by hand again, so I just busted out the calculator and went to town. Sorry for the rough format, but I felt I should show my work.

Note: I figured it would be best to take it out to 28 days as a month is what most docs look at when comparing blood serum saturation.

3.5D: 1: 250, 2: 166.85+250, 3: 166.85+136.31+250, 4: 166.85+136.31+111.36+250
5: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+250, 6: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+250
7: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+60.721+250 8: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+60.721+49.606+250.


E7: 1: 500, 2: 333.71+500, 3: 222.72+333.71+500, 4: 333.71+222.72+148.65+500


Totals:

E3.5D: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+60.721+49.606+250 = 940.15mg (At 28 days)
E7D: 333.71+222.72+148.65+500 = 1205.08mg (At 28 days)

Interesting. This is completely against what I figured what would happen, so I even busted out Excel to see what the story is here:

I guess I should do the math before I start typing out a reply next time. I do find it interesting that as it is a logarithmic curve, the larger doses do linger about more. This makes me wonder why we testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients feel better on E3.5D protocols instead of E7D. I get that there will be larger spikes from a less frequent dosing schedule, causing E2 spikes - but I can't help to feel that I'm still missing part of the picture here.

Still want to see more about this anabolic threshold though...

 

[DreDay187]

I was hoping you weren't going to make me figure out more half life decays going past the first week haha. Admittedly I got lost trying to do it all by hand again, so I just busted out the calculator and went to town. Sorry for the rough format, but I felt I should show my work.

Note: I figured it would be best to take it out to 28 days as a month is what most docs look at when comparing blood serum saturation.

3.5D: 1: 250, 2: 166.85+250, 3: 166.85+136.31+250, 4: 166.85+136.31+111.36+250
5: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+250, 6: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+250
7: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+60.721+250 8: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+60.721+49.606+250.


E7: 1: 500, 2: 333.71+500, 3: 222.72+333.71+500, 4: 333.71+222.72+148.65+500


Totals:

E3.5D: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+60.721+49.606+250 = 940.15mg (At 28 days)
E7D: 333.71+222.72+148.65+500 = 1205.08mg (At 28 days)

Interesting. This is completely against what I figured what would happen, so I even busted out Excel to see what the story is here:

I guess I should do the math before I start typing out a reply next time. I do find it interesting that as it is a logarithmic curve, the larger doses do linger about more. This makes me wonder why we testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients feel better on E3.5D protocols instead of E7D. I get that there will be larger spikes from a less frequent dosing schedule, causing E2 spikes - but I can't help to feel that I'm still missing part of the picture here.

Still want to see more about this anabolic threshold though...

IMO the bigger picture would be related to sides, diminishing returns, and irregularity. Just bc serum levels are higher doesn't necessarily mean results are equivalently better too

 

[halfwit]

IMO the bigger picture would be related to sides, diminishing returns, and irregularity. Just bc serum levels are higher doesn't necessarily mean results are equivalently better too

I agree, but I'm honestly really surprised that they don't even out. Even the slope of the two is completely different, which boggles my mind. Granted, I did leave out the small dips in serum levels in between the E7D injects, but that's why I used a graph in Excel - they never touch past that first week.

On second thought: I wonder if the spikes from E7D would cause sufficient aromatization to even the two out. Obviously an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) would change this, but I'm thinking that might be part of it from a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) perspective.

 

[308power]

Thanks for making the charts! I wasnt going to type it all out. Seems Like a solid plan to me though. More bang for the buck. Just add an extra .1mg of arimidex a day .

This is a breakthrough. Too bad i'll get flamed if I ever reccomend this to anyone... but, I have for once brough contrasting viewpoint that have worked out

 

[smittiot]

Makes me think about finishing my cycle out this way. Wonder if I would still dose my deca twice per week. Also, I guess the first 500ml pin would have an overlap with my last 250ml pin... pondering

 

[SilverBackGorilla]

I bet we feel worse pinning every 7 days than every 3.5 days because everyone tells us we do. LoL.

 

[DipKing]

If you have a hypothesis, test it. It's okay to be skeptical until further information/data is developed. In fact, it's a sign of good science. I'm really excited to see where this goes!

 

[halfwit]

Thanks for making the charts! I wasnt going to type it all out. Seems Like a solid plan to me though. More bang for the buck. Just add an extra .1mg of arimidex a day .

This is a breakthrough. Too bad i'll get flamed if I ever reccomend this to anyone... but, I have for once brough contrasting viewpoint that have worked out

I never flame as long as there's science backing it. I am honestly really surprised that they don't even out as it would seem intuitively. Definitely would like to see your results! This does have me rethinking my M-W-F dosing now though lol. I don't even want to model that tbh.

 

[ketogenicbulldog]

thanks halfwit for your work! I am very interested in this approach as well.

I'll be starting a test e/primo cycle in a while. Shooting the primo all at once makes sense but would you do the same with a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose of test?

I guess the only way i'd know is doing it myself but i just wanted to hear some theories

 

[SicVic]

By that mindset we should then pin an entire cycle's worth of test in one week I would think. Better results in terms of what? Test is needed for more than just "gains".

Its for gains thats all. Performance Enhancement and overall well being feeling is outta the picture. No Pain No Gain. But you will prob fuck up all the poon that you get when your on cycle then more trouble gettin da hoez when off. (E.D. ROFL)

 

[Hugh Jerection]

I was hoping you weren't going to make me figure out more half life decays going past the first week haha. Admittedly I got lost trying to do it all by hand again, so I just busted out the calculator and went to town. Sorry for the rough format, but I felt I should show my work.

Note: I figured it would be best to take it out to 28 days as a month is what most docs look at when comparing blood serum saturation.

3.5D: 1: 250, 2: 166.85+250, 3: 166.85+136.31+250, 4: 166.85+136.31+111.36+250
5: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+250, 6: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+250
7: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+60.721+250 8: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+60.721+49.606+250.


E7: 1: 500, 2: 333.71+500, 3: 222.72+333.71+500, 4: 333.71+222.72+148.65+500


Totals:

E3.5D: 166.85+136.31+111.36+90.978+74.325+60.721+49.606+250 = 940.15mg (At 28 days)
E7D: 333.71+222.72+148.65+500 = 1205.08mg (At 28 days)

Interesting. This is completely against what I figured what would happen, so I even busted out Excel to see what the story is here:

I guess I should do the math before I start typing out a reply next time. I do find it interesting that as it is a logarithmic curve, the larger doses do linger about more. This makes me wonder why we testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients feel better on E3.5D protocols instead of E7D. I get that there will be larger spikes from a less frequent dosing schedule, causing E2 spikes - but I can't help to feel that I'm still missing part of the picture here.

Still want to see more about this anabolic threshold though...

Really great thread, guys. Thanks for bringing it 308. I just saved post #30 to my hard drive as "Halfwit's Half-Life Chart." Glad we've still got a substantial brain trust here on the forum, lol.