What is a good testosterone testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose? Well above what a doc would recommend

[NativeTX]

What is a good testosterone TRT dose? Well above what a doc would recommend

What is a good mg/week or strength to run for a bit above what a doc would order for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) without the bad sides? I've been cycling on and off and plan on going on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for a while ( I know I can get off and restart whenever I need to, but that's another story...supported by 3 docs, including Scally). I had been on a cycle of 600mg of test on my last cycle. It was great, but I took advice and realized that I had to take .5mg of arimidex EOD to maintain my libido, and it worked. However, I don't want to have to take adex, if I don't have to. I never had to when I took light cycles before and my sex drive was like a teenager. I never noticed any more gains taking 300mg vs.600mg of testosterone, to be honest. I want gains, but the positive siceds including libido are just as important.

I want to be on a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose, but I want to push it to gain as most as I can. However, I don't want to be on a dose that requires adex...just a normal, healthy dose that keeps me feeling good with good work outs and a GREAT libido. I've been told by testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) clinics that your number should be at 800-1100 to get you there. I know that I will have to take blood work after 5 or more weeks to tell. I had blood work done prior to cycle.

I appreciate any advice...

 

[Austinite]

I don't really know what to say. I can't see any doctor, including Scally, approving self-treatment, cycling on/off (blast/cruise) and guarantee a restart. There are no guarantees and in fact, your chances after something like this would be quite slim.

May I ask how you managed to get support from 3 doctors? This is a bad idea in my opinion.

 

[NativeTX]

I don't really know what to say. I can't see any doctor, including Scally, approving self-treatment, cycling on/off (blast/cruise) and guarantee a restart. There are no guarantees and in fact, your chances after something like this would be quite slim.

May I ask how you managed to get support from 3 doctors? This is a bad idea in my opinion.

It's not self-treatment. I was on a cycle where I used 600mg of deca per week along with 600mg of test. It was a great cycle, but I crashed. My HPTA needed to be restarted, and my doc said that I needed testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). I found 3 docs, including Scally (the only one I paid was Scally), who said that I could be restarted. Basically, they all said that almost anyone can be restarted, even those who have been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). Scally said that he took his testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients off every 12-18 months and restarted them to make sure they could function independently, if they ever decided to stop testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) (and I assume have kids). I restarted my HPTA with Scally and talking to another doc. I also spoke to another doc from a large T replacement company who agreed but thought that the program needed fine tuning. They all said that someone could be shut down for years and restarted. Having said that, one testosterone clinic I spoke with said that they could restart me. If they did at my age, I might be at 600. The goal of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is to be at 800-1000. Your optimal level. I restarted my HPTA with Scally's help and it was slightly less than 600. I did another cycle, did proper post cycle therapy (pct), and my Test, LH and HSH looked great. However, I feel better at 800-1000mg. My ego, attitude, sex drive and work outs are better than the normal state for my age at 41 almost 42. So, I want to live life like I should and feel good..isn't that what we would all want and spend a minimal amount to do it. Off cycle, my sex drive is great and I have good but not great work outs. On cycle, I feel great, my sex drive is ridiculous, and all of my work outs feel like a triumph, so I plan to stay on for a while, if not permanently. I know that I will be taking test at 80 plus. I am using it to live like a 20-30 year old now while I can.

 

[Austinite]

Scally is practicing medicine?? Michael Scally?

 

[Alpin]

Who's this Scally?

 

[NativeTX]

They all said that I could safely stay on cycle as long as I avoided 19 nors and took Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) while I was on. Even if I did not take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) while on I would be OK, but it would be a total restart. I've done that, and it is NOT fun.

 

[halfwit]

Those are some bold claims. I'd like to know how they propose to restart a primary hypogonadal person like myself. Hint: Ain't happenin'.

Oh, and I seriously doubt you'll get to 1100ng/dL without the use of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Even if you run DIM/Zinc/Broccoli, I can't see you achieving that without an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) unless you're like 5'5" and weigh 140lbs at 9% body fat.

 

[NativeTX]

Scally is practicing medicine?? Michael Scally?

Yes. This is Michael Scally. He cannot practice medicine, but he can provide a consult. It worked for me. That being said, one of the reasons he lost his license was that he didn't keep adequate medical records. In my dealings with him, he did not remember me from another patient, and I was constantly reminding him of where I was in the process...not very comforting given what I was going through. Money vs. time...always a docs dilemma. However, his program/advice worked. Anyone can be restarted no matter what. He and others have only had 1 patient that could not, and Scally said he believed that the patient did not follow instructions. I can understand that. When you are at 100 on a test level, you're thinking is very clouded and emotional....it's not pretty.

I can provide his website, if anyone would like. I have not looked at it in about 6 months or so.

 

[NativeTX]

Those are some bold claims. I'd like to know how they propose to restart a primary hypogonadal person like myself. Hint: Ain't happenin'.

Oh, and I seriously doubt you'll get to 1100ng/dL without the use of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Even if you run DIM/Zinc/Broccoli, I can't see you achieving that without an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) unless you're like 5'5" and weigh 140lbs at 9% body fat.

You have to differentiate between primary and secondary. I am not a doc, but secondary is primarily from steroid use. Primary is from biological issues you were born with.

 

[Austinite]

I'm not discrediting his knowledge. I was merely curious of the treatment delivery.

 

[Austinite]

You have to differentiate between primary and secondary. I am not a doc, but secondary is primarily from steroid use. Primary is from biological issues you were born with.

Whoa........... no Mr. TX. Not even remotely close. Anabolic steroids can yield either primary or secondary. Being born hypogonadal is incredibly, severely rare. Even head trauma can yield secondary.

Hypogonadism does not discriminate.

 

[Megatron28]

Who's this Scally?

Scally was a red head FBI agent who worked with Fox "Spooky" Mulder to solve X-File cases.

 

[NativeTX]

You have to differentiate between primary and secondary. I am not a doc, but secondary is primarily from steroid use. Primary is from biological issues you were born with.

Not sure if you know what you are talking about. I am 5'11", 195 lbs and 9% BF. I have taken 300 mgs of test per week with no problem or use of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) with great results. From my research 200mg should put you at around 800. 250-300 would be around 1000. This is my guess and is the reason for my question, although I know that everyone is different.

 

[Austinite]

Not sure if you know what you are talking about. I am 5'11", 195 lbs and 9% BF. I have taken 300 mgs of test per week with no problem or use of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) with great results. From my research 200mg should put you at around 800. 250-300 would be around 1000. This is my guess and is the reason for my question, although I know that everyone is different.

You quoted yourself so I don't know who you intended to reply to.

But research cannot yield a generalized relationship between milligrams of testosterone and serum testosterone.

 

[Austinite]

Anyway... it doesnt matter. Back to your question.

I think if you want to be a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patient, then be a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patient and just blast once in a while. There is no need to play with your testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose, then it wouldnt be testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), it would be NativeTX self administered something or another.

 

[NativeTX]

Like I said, I have done little research on primary vs. secondary. I just focus on what I have and the advice from docs and personal experience that I have. I know that hypo gonadal can be from head trauma. Primary dysfunction means a failure of the testes. This is VERY rare from steroids. Scally even said that he had not seen one case of testicular failure in any of his testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients. Primary can be from a number of sources, but it is not normally from steroids. Professional BB maybe an example. However, Arnold had a kid with a mistress after age 40 after many years of steroid abuse at levels that many of us cannot imagine.

 

[NativeTX]

Anyway... it doesnt matter. Back to your question.

I think if you want to be a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patient, then be a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patient and just blast once in a while. There is no need to play with your testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose, then it wouldnt be testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), it would be NativeTX self administered something or another.

I don't think you understand my question. I know what my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose is, I know what I have done in the past with no adverse sides. I believe that a lot on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) do "extra curricular" to improve things. I am trying to find the dose that will get me in between my doc's testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose, and where the forums tell me I should be to have max gains...not asking too much.

 

[Austinite]

Like I said, I have done little research on primary vs. secondary. I just focus on what I have and the advice from docs and personal experience that I have. I know that hypo gonadal can be from head trauma. Primary dysfunction means a failure of the testes. This is VERY rare from steroids. Scally even said that he had not seen one case of testicular failure in any of his testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients. Primary can be from a number of sources, but it is not normally from steroids. Professional BB maybe an example. However, Arnold had a kid with a mistress after age 40 after many years of steroid abuse at levels that many of us cannot imagine.

I agree with a lot of what Scally says. I have a ton of respect for him. But you have to remember that he is not the only doctor that knows... (Did you see the records?) - that was a joke - I really do like Scally.

However, the top doctor in the country says otherwise. And steroids absolutely without a doubt lead to primary.

Arnold had a kid? Hypogonadal men are not infertile...

 

[Austinite]

I don't think you understand my question. I know what my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose is, I know what I have done in the past with no adverse sides. I believe that a lot on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) do "extra curricular" to improve things. I am trying to find the dose that will get me in between my doc's testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose, and where the forums tell me I should be to have max gains...not asking too much.

You're absolutely correct. I do not understand your question. I also apologize for going off topic.

I'll let others chime in.

 

[halfwit]

You have to differentiate between primary and secondary. I am not a doc, but secondary is primarily from steroid use. Primary is from biological issues you were born with.

Here's the test that is often used to discern where you're at and has been cited a often as a means of indication:

• You have a blood test that (baseline) yields a healthy LH/FSH from your pituitary gland, yet you have low testosterone. That is primary.
• You have a blood test (baseline) that yields a low LH/FSH and low testosterone. That is secondary.

There are several different parts of the HPTA that can yield a secondary prognosis (I'm not a doctor either, but I researched the heck out of this stuff when I found out I was primary.) such as a wonky pituitary gland, a tumor, another gland such as the adrenals or hypothalamus causing interference or even a brain tumor. In fact, I was reading how even the pancreas can cause hypogonadism, which in turn can trigger diabetes! It does happen to be the most common form of hypogonadism as there are far more possible culprits at play.

Primary hypogonadism can be caused by trauma, drug abuse (or prescription meds in my case), varicoceles, leydig cellular death/mutation, birth defects (as Austinite mentioned is fairly rare), and many other causes. The reason why a restart isn't really practical for a primary person is that a restart depends on waking that pituitary gland back up and getting a healthy LH signal to those leydig cells. If your testes aren't working anymore, you could dump 40IU of LH to them, and they'd still yawn in boredom. That's why I always push to have LH/FSH checked with guys that just got a low T verdict from their doc as many doctors don't even check for this.

AAS abuse/use can cause either of these; it just matters where along the HPTA the damage occurs.

Edit: My daughter was conceived with me having 120ng/dL total test levels by the way. Those swimmers are pretty determined little buggers.