I am a big tren lover and believe it is hands down the strongest steroid, but i don't like it for bulking. Tren gives you awesome gains and makes you look ridiculously ripped and shiet, but the gains and the look are really hard to hold onto during and after post cycle therapy (pct). In my opinion for 2 major reasons. First off it shuts you down really hard and it is difficult to get your natty test back up and running quickly to keep a lot of your gains...secondly and this is a mental thing... tren makes you so damn strong that when you come off you wind up really depressed at how much your poundages go down that it is like trying to workout after being kicked in the balls. The aggression is no longer there, the way it makes use of protein synthesis is no longer there, you wind up losing that hard as steel shredded look you had and it all equals a loss of the gains you had. I find it a lot easier to end a prop cycle and transition into post cycle therapy (pct). So I wld go with an Anadrol kick start and just prop at a nice dosage. I have made it through post cycle therapy (pct) with this type of bulking cycle and lost as few as 5lbs. I did however use slin during the cycle and during post cycle therapy (pct) which I am sure helped.