what the hell????

[maxmuscleseeker]

i gots a reasonable simple question for you vets.. why is it that people keep talking being on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) from twenty something if i should embark on a test only cycle???? im 23 but dont get the logic of assuming everyone ends up on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) after fucking themself over. comments appreciated!

 

[funkymonk]

What is your question? It's really hard to understand exactly what you wrote, so I'll just state the following.

At a younger age (IE: under 25), you have an exponentially higher risk of permanent shutdown from tampering with your HPTA through AAS. Many idiots who cycle too young end up on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for life.

For those who are in their 20s and getting on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), well that just sucks. Given the choice, I'd rather have natty test production over synthetic test for the rest of my life.

 

[maxmuscleseeker]

even if its a test only cycle with adequate pct? i cant get hcg but shit... i want kids lol

 

[DADAWG]

i gots a reasonable simple question for you vets.. why is it that people keep talking being on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) from twenty something if i should embark on a test only cycle???? im 23 but dont get the logic of assuming everyone ends up on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) after fucking themself over. comments appreciated!

cycling to young can close growth plates and STOP any chance of future growth. cycling really young [ early to mid teens ] might srew up your hormones for life.

i doubt that cycling at 20 would shut down natural test permenantly. that being said the average 20 year old guy who comes to these boards is a fucking idiot , he usually tells you his planned cycle [ 99% of the time its a really stupid cycle ] and then argues with vets and mods when he tells them that his cycle is bad. what i boils down to is being mature enough and mentally ready for steroids. younger people tend to want instant results just like when they turn on the playstation and they really dont want to work for those results. he also doesnt want to stop partying and staying out lay with is friends so that he gets his rest and training doen correctly . he is also probablly 90% more likely to use steroids as a excuse to be a asshole and blame roid rage. the list goes on and on but bottom line is 99% of 20 year olds are not READY for steroids.

 

[shockandawelifter]

cycling to young can close growth plates and STOP any chance of future growth. cycling really young [ early to mid teens ] might srew up your hormones for life.

i doubt that cycling at 20 would shut down natural test permenantly. that being said the average 20 year old guy who comes to these boards is a fucking idiot , he usually tells you his planned cycle [ 99% of the time its a really stupid cycle ] and then argues with vets and mods when he tells them that his cycle is bad. what i boils down to is being mature enough and mentally ready for steroids. younger people tend to want instant results just like when they turn on the playstation and they really dont want to work for those results. he also doesnt want to stop partying and staying out lay with is friends so that he gets his rest and training doen correctly . he is also probablly 90% more likely to use steroids as a excuse to be a asshole and blame roid rage. the list goes on and on but bottom line is 99% of 20 year olds are not READY for steroids.

this

 

[5x10]

What is your question? It's really hard to understand exactly what you wrote, so I'll just state the following.

At a younger age (IE: under 25), you have an exponentially higher risk of permanent shutdown from tampering with your HPTA through AAS. Many idiots who cycle too young end up on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for life.

For those who are in their 20s and getting on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), well that just sucks. Given the choice, I'd rather have natty test production over synthetic test for the rest of my life.

dont you think shutdown is more person specific and not age specific?

meaning, someone that cant recover at 20 will also not recover at any other age

so where is the line drawn, in regards to age, when it becomes acceptable to do these drugs?

 

[coltmc45]

cycling to young can close growth plates and STOP any chance of future growth. cycling really young [ early to mid teens ] might srew up your hormones for life.

i doubt that cycling at 20 would shut down natural test permenantly. that being said the average 20 year old guy who comes to these boards is a fucking idiot , he usually tells you his planned cycle [ 99% of the time its a really stupid cycle ] and then argues with vets and mods when he tells them that his cycle is bad. what i boils down to is being mature enough and mentally ready for steroids. younger people tend to want instant results just like when they turn on the playstation and they really dont want to work for those results. he also doesnt want to stop partying and staying out lay with is friends so that he gets his rest and training doen correctly . he is also probablly 90% more likely to use steroids as a excuse to be a asshole and blame roid rage. the list goes on and on but bottom line is 99% of 20 year olds are not READY for steroids.

I give you a round of applause for this ^^ spot on

 

[combobreaker]

My personal opinion is (and I see it nearly every other post) you have guys going on cycle for 8-20 weeks. 8 weeks should be the absolute max to ensure your body will fully recover. It only takes 2 weeks @ ~400mg of test to shut off FSH and LH. I think a lot of us struggle with losing weight so it's another week... then another week... then you have an issue.

Like dawg said, most guys 18-21 are not mature enough to research this or even plan on the self control that's needed. You see so many infections, lacking PCT, and crazy cycles from people who just will not accept advice or read up on the chemicals they are injecting IM.

 

[Lunaticfringe]

my personal opinion is (and i see it nearly every other post) you have guys going on cycle for 8-20 weeks. 8 weeks should be the absolute max to ensure your body will fully recover. It only takes 2 weeks @ ~400mg of test to shut off fsh and lh. I think a lot of us struggle with losing weight so it's another week... Then another week... Then you have an issue.

Like dawg said, most guys 18-21 are not mature enough to research this or even plan on the self control that's needed. You see so many infections, lacking pct, and crazy cycles from people who just will not accept advice or read up on the chemicals they are injecting im.

+1

 

[coltmc45]

My personal opinion is (and I see it nearly every other post) you have guys going on cycle for 8-20 weeks. 8 weeks should be the absolute max to ensure your body will fully recover. It only takes 2 weeks @ ~400mg of test to shut off FSH and LH. I think a lot of us struggle with losing weight so it's another week... then another week... then you have an issue.

Like dawg said, most guys 18-21 are not mature enough to research this or even plan on the self control that's needed. You see so many infections, lacking PCT, and crazy cycles from people who just will not accept advice or read up on the chemicals they are injecting IM.

I agree with most everything you said except you're basically saying 8 weeks should be the max cycle length?!

 

[cross88]

i could understand an 8 week cycle for something like test prop, but when its a longer ester that takes 4-5 weeks to fully kick in 8 weeks seems abit short no?

 

[DD55]

I think that's what he's implying, For a young guy, anyway. Most guys should wait until they're at least 25--imho

 

[UserAt204]

DAWG is spot on as always. Good post big guy.

Like 5x10 mentioned a lot of this is specific to the person. Without too much detail, because I don't want new or young guys thinking this is ok, I have run long cycles and recovered fine, ran cycles with no pct and recovered fine, so it really depends on the person and hpta shut down can vary from cycle to cycle. I've seen guys recover easily from heavy cycles and struggle the next time on a light one. It's always a gamble and has a lot to do with the person.

It's important to be as smart as possible and take precautions.

 

[maxmuscleseeker]

see heres my problem... i have my cycle all planned.. here it is:
test enant 250x bi weekly for 10 weeks. the reason i chose 10 and not 12, was based on the ester, and the increased difficulty in recovering my nuts and hpta during post cycle therapy (pct). i dont have hcg, just nolva and clomid, which i plan to run in combo, along with dex during cycle. im 23 and just bout to get married, my wife doesnt know i have test on hand, i really wanna do it, but dont wanna fuck up our life cause of my selfishness...

 

[Stick & Move]

I have personally never met anyone who is younger and done a test only cycle that didn't recover or who fucked up there family life over it. Advice that I have a hard time with myself is not lying to the wife. That will make it way worse. Trust me on that it happens to me every cycle. Like I can hide that. Women knows every time.

 

[diggydev]

never mind the cycle at 23...why the hell would you get married at 23??? lol, congrats and condolences!! haha.

 

[thetruepitbull]

Everyone I know who has cycled and has tried to have children have been successful.
Be honest in your relationship.
And make sure you get an AI.

Do not rush into using steroids. You have alot of time ahead of you.

 

[maxmuscleseeker]

wow.. thanks for all the advice... and now that i know my test is good after the exp date.. cheers! cause its expiring oct 2012 so i was about to rush the brush.. now no sweat! cool. and i was just wondering... does proviron have a place in pct in rasing libido while preventing more hpta suppression? cause somewhere i read that it was possibly suppressive itself. just wondering why guys dont use it as part of pct while regaining normal sexual prowess..

 

[DADAWG]

wow.. thanks for all the advice... and now that i know my test is good after the exp date.. cheers! cause its expiring oct 2012 so i was about to rush the brush.. now no sweat! cool. and i was just wondering... does proviron have a place in pct in rasing libido while preventing more hpta suppression? cause somewhere i read that it was possibly suppressive itself. just wondering why guys dont use it as part of pct while regaining normal sexual prowess..

i wouldnt chance slowing down recovery imo.

the studies that say proviron causes little to no suppression werent done on post cycle steroid users , why take the chance of sloing down recovery for a temporary gain in libido.

 

[JWS77]

I agree with most everything you said except you're basically saying 8 weeks should be the max cycle length?!

8wks max cycle length for first time running gear, yes. Why risk you're own natty test? the longer the cycle, and stacking is for ppl who cannot gain from 8wk test only cycles as well as a first timer, because they have passed the peak at natural test production. The trick being new to this is staying as responsive to gear as possible. Why jump on a cycle that has oral and multiple injectibles on your first round, when a simple test only for 8wks will do wonders for you? it's not an age thing, it's a biochemical thing (which corresponds with age).