What the N00B should know

[cyto33]

All too often I see cycles that are made up as though there are pulled from a hat.
This is the one thing that drives me absolutely insane and many others along with me.
Also the other thing is doses being so low it's a waste of money.
I just don't get it.
Where do theses come from?

First cycle
1-10
sustaplex 325 1cc or 325mg pw
1-9
Equiplex 200 1cc pw

We turn around and flat out tell them this is a piss poor cycle and these guys get so pissed at us.
If this is what you want as a first cycle don't ask us.
A first cycle should be Test alone so you may gage how you react and learn how it feels to run a compound.
You're not going to become huge over night. And defiantly not on a first cycle. It just doesn't work that way.

Let's look at a proper first cycle.

First cycle.

1-14
1-14 Test E 500mg pw split Monday/Thursday.

Pct starts 2 weeks after last pin.

This is what myself and countless others have written 1000's of times.
Why?
Because people don't like to work for themselves. They want the easy way in.

How long should you run each compound?

This is a must know. If you don't know this it's a waste of money and a waste of time. Why shut yourself down and not get anything out of it but a pain in the ass when you try to pct out.

Test E 12 week min
Deca 14 weeks min
EQ 14 weeks min
Sust 14 weeks min
Test C 12-14 weeks min

Short esters such as
Prop
NPP
Ace

Orals are a different story I have heard ( not done myself) that they can be run for weeks on end so long as you protect your liver.
If I'm asked I take the safe route that I use and that's 5 weeks on and 5 weeks off

Would all be best run at least 8 weeks. Some have been run less but these are all just my personal opinion. That a lot of people agree with.
I'm not asking you to take this a rule and this is it.
But for the most part this is what will be said to you if you come seeking help from those before you.

I'm sure there is plenty more to add to this and that will be done with information provided by the following posters that have a ton of extra years in this.
Think about this when you plan your next cycle and ask us to look over it.

Cyto33

 

[82nd_Fister]

People are lazy man.

I don't understand why you need anything more than Test.

I mean, if you manage your diet correctly and keep an eye on your fat gain, you don't need Anavar. Deca is worthless. Anadrol... I like my liver, thanks.

The only other thing I'd consider taking is Clen. But even then, You don't even REALLY need that.

Lettuce be reality. People are lazy.

 

[RA64]

All too often I see cycles that are made up as though there are pulled from a hat.
This is the one thing that drives me absolutely insane and many others along with me.
Also the other thing is doses being so low it's a waste of money.
I just don't get it.
Where do theses come from?

First cycle
1-10
sustaplex 325 1cc or 325mg pw
1-9
Equiplex 200 1cc pw

We turn around and flat out tell them this is a piss poor cycle and these guys get so pissed at us.
If this is what you want as a first cycle don't ask us.
A first cycle should be Test alone so you may gage how you react and learn how it feels to run a compound.
You're not going to become huge over night. And defiantly not on a first cycle. It just doesn't work that way.

Let's look at a proper first cycle.

First cycle.

1-14
1-14 Test E 500mg pw split Monday/Thursday.

Pct starts 2 weeks after last pin.

This is what myself and countless others have written 1000's of times.
Why?
Because people don't like to work for themselves. They want the easy way in.

How long should you run each compound?

This is a must know. If you don't know this it's a waste of money and a waste of time. Why shut yourself down and not get anything out of it but a pain in the ass when you try to pct out.

Test E 12 week min
Deca 14 weeks min
EQ 14 weeks min
Sust 14 weeks min
Test C 12-14 weeks min

Short esters such as
Prop
NPP
Ace

Orals are a different story I have heard ( not done myself) that they can be run for weeks on end so long as you protect your liver.
If I'm asked I take the safe route that I use and that's 5 weeks on and 5 weeks off

Would all be best run at least 8 weeks. Some have been run less but these are all just my personal opinion. That a lot of people agree with.
I'm not asking you to take this a rule and this is it.
But for the most part this is what will be said to you if you come seeking help from those before you.

I'm sure there is plenty more to add to this and that will be done with information provided by the following posters that have a ton of extra years in this.
Think about this when you plan your next cycle and ask us to look over it.

Cyto33

Well said Bro.

 

[cyto33]

I have my mouments. LOL

 

[Conrad415]

 

[RA64]

People are lazy man.

I don't understand why you need anything more than Test.

I mean, if you manage your diet correctly and keep an eye on your fat gain, you don't need Anavar. Deca is worthless. Anadrol... I like my liver, thanks.

The only other thing I'd consider taking is Clen. But even then, You don't even REALLY need that.

Lettuce be reality. People are lazy.

I agree with almost everything you said, except the statement about Deca being worthless.

Deca is one of my all time favorites right behind Test, and I alwayws get great gains from it.

You have to know how to run Deca correctley or your won't get anything out of it.

 

[pux888]

Nice post man, now the next problem to tackle will be getting the noobs to actually read it!

 

[drewbolic]

Good post,Needs to be reposted in about a month for the future new guys.
Im a firm believer in trail and error but knowing some simple details about esters and half lifes and how to run a proper cycle will save you alot of dough and help reach your fitness goals.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I agree with almost everything you said, except the statement about Deca being worthless.

Deca is one of my all time favorites right behind Test, and I alwayws get great gains from it.

You have to know how to run Deca correctley or your won't get anything out of it.

i agree bro deca is the shiznit, the pumps are amazing.

 

[drewbolic]

People are lazy man.

I don't understand why you need anything more than Test.

I mean, if you manage your diet correctly and keep an eye on your fat gain, you don't need Anavar. Deca is worthless. Anadrol... I like my liver, thanks.

The only other thing I'd consider taking is Clen. But even then, You don't even REALLY need that.

Lettuce be reality. People are lazy.

Different compounds have different effects Fister so yes test is best but the adding and stacking is a must to have certain desired effects and looks.
Are you saying some one is lazy for stacking more than test?

 

[drewbolic]

I agree with almost everything you said, except the statement about Deca being worthless.

Deca is one of my all time favorites right behind Test, and I alwayws get great gains from it.

You have to know how to run Deca correctley or your won't get anything out of it.

I dont believe fister has used any of those compounds.
If he has maybe not correctly.
Nandrolones are the beez kneez

 

[82nd_Fister]

Different compounds have different effects Fister so yes test is best but the adding and stacking is a must to have certain desired effects and looks.
Are you saying some one is lazy for stacking more than test?

Not exactly. I'm saying if you're going to stack multiple steroids, it shouldn't be on your first cycle. It should be after you have an appreciation of how to get the results you want from specific steroids without them.

As an example, I think if someone is going to take Clenbuterol to lose fat, they should know how to cut without it.


And as far as Deca goes, yeah it's ok but I mean, how many of you have honestly kept gains that you can attribute to it alone?

 

[drewbolic]

Not exactly. I'm saying if you're going to stack multiple steroids, it shouldn't be on your first cycle. It should be after you have an appreciation of how to get the results you want from specific steroids without them.

As an example, I think if someone is going to take Clenbuterol to lose fat, they should know how to cut without it.


And as far as Deca goes, yeah it's ok but I mean, how many of you have honestly kept gains that you can attribute to it alone?

Ok I agree on the first cycle test is best but as for contributing gains from previous stacks ummm yes I did a bulking cycle of AMBROWAVE nan-deca and test and deff help put on enough mass so later I could cut,which I did and did very well in a competition...i contribute part of that trophy to deca

 

[82nd_Fister]

Ok I agree on the first cycle test is best but as for contributing gains from previous stacks ummm yes I did a bulking cycle of AMBROWAVE nan-deca and test and deff help put on enough mass so later I could cut,which I did and did very well in a competition...i contribute part of that trophy to deca

I stand corrected. But even so, I like my liver just the way it is. Have you read about Andreas munzer and what his insides looked like when they autopsied him? It's scary stuff and will make you never want to take another pill.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Ok I agree on the first cycle test is best but as for contributing gains from previous stacks ummm yes I did a bulking cycle of AMBROWAVE nan-deca and test and deff help put on enough mass so later I could cut,which I did and did very well in a competition...i contribute part of that trophy to deca

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I think the reason people dont like Deca and say they lose all their gains is for 2 reasons.

#1 they put on too much water, which is mostly from diet. people go on bulking diet and put on a ton of water with deca then lose it when they come off. but if i put on 5lbs with EQ and keep it all great. but if i put on 20 with deca and keep 10 even better.

#2 they dont run it long enough for their body to be accustomed to the massive gains, homeostasis kicks in and you go back to normal.

 

[safety-man]

I think the reason people dont like Deca and say they lose all their gains is for 2 reasons.

#1 they put on too much water, which is mostly from diet. people go on bulking diet and put on a ton of water with deca then lose it when they come off. but if i put on 5lbs with EQ and keep it all great. but if i put on 20 with deca and keep 10 even better.

#2 they dont run it long enough for their body to be accustomed to the massive gains, homeostasis kicks in and you go back to normal.

agree

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agree

 

[RA64]

^^Agree

 

[Teutonic]

When I read Andreas and autopsy had to pinch myself....do you have any clue what type of doses those guy s run ? I venture to say they do more in a year or than I ve done my whole life...
good post cyto...
Deca rox..love it need it on cycle for it s joint aids..

 

[yadi79]

we need a updated sticky!!