What to add to trt dose? (Done test cycle)

[halfwit]

Yeh want to stay away from orals due to slightly raised liver and from previous test blasts the androgenic sides like acne seem to hit me hard! So was wondering if npp may help as an alternative?
Thinking npp as it's quicker to start and leave so can gauge sides

Would probably dose 150mg alongside 150mg test per week

Shouldn't notice too much bloat st that dose? Test bloats me wicked



Haha yeh I get you mate!

As Tron stated, bloat is more of a function of estradiol and diet. I do enjoy nandrolone myself with TRT, but I don't really consider it an anabolic aid at the 200mg/wk I take with TRT.

However, I do believe that you will appreciate the synovial fluid benefits, and may see some anabolic response. Keep in mind too, acne can happen if your estradiol is poorly managed. While estradiol does have a protective effect on the skin, you may be one of those sensitive to such - even at mild supraphysiological levels.

 

[oliverduke]

As Tron stated, bloat is more of a function of estradiol and diet. I do enjoy nandrolone myself with TRT, but I don't really consider it an anabolic aid at the 200mg/wk I take with TRT.

However, I do believe that you will appreciate the synovial fluid benefits, and may see some anabolic response. Keep in mind too, acne can happen if your estradiol is poorly managed. While estradiol does have a protective effect on the skin, you may be one of those sensitive to such - even at mild supraphysiological levels.

Thanks again mate!

What part of carbohydrates cause bloat do you think? the carb source itself or the amount of carbs? Hired a coach whose well versed with people cycling steroids and he upped my carb intake (all low gi healthy carbs) and said it was more to do with the low gi carbs i was eating previously that caused bloat.
My oestrogen is low via blood test so its not oestrogen.

and as far as the testosterone sides i was fine on my trt dose but once i went to 300-500mg a week acne has got very bad to the point now it looks like I'm going to need accutane again to sort it out (had facial acne through my teens but not on my back/chest like currently.

As NPP is less androgenic and converts to DHT minimally compared to test i was hoping i would have less of those associated side effects, correct?

 

[oliverduke]

If you learn how to manage estradiol and figure out your diet -- carbs and sodium -- you won't have problems with bloating. Just don't confuse bloat with increased glycogen.

yeh, i term bloat as sticking out stomach like trapped gas type of look?

Iv got increased muscle glycogen and look very full, but also sub Q water retention. But i think this is from gluten as i always avoided gluten containing products and noticed once i started having more varied sources of carbs in my diet water retention got quite bad. Done a test last week and dropped gluten and sub q water reduced quite quickly. Then i went high gluten one day with some cereal to see and boom puffed up like a fish!

 

[bigben66]

For what it's worth... I just did a 12 weeks cut - dropped 24lbs for a photoshoot (see avatar)

I used the following.

1g Test
400mg Deca
800mg Mast (last 8 weeks)
100mg Var (last 6 weeks)
Clen (last 2 weeks)
ECA stack (first 6 weeks)

Hope this addresses your issue with Deca being used on a cut.

 

[bigben66]

It goes without saying that I nailed my diet to the calorie.

Did not deviate once, and my training was as intense as ever...

Only introduced cardio with 4 weeks to go

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

IF you want to combat bloat first increase your potassium. It counter acts sodium ......See how that works before jump on an AI.

 

[oliverduke]

It goes without saying that I nailed my diet to the calorie.

Did not deviate once, and my training was as intense as ever...

Only introduced cardio with 4 weeks to go

thanks for the insight mate, I'm planning to run

210mg test per week (about my trt dose)
200mg NPP per week - at this level i shouldn't have prolactin sides but ill get some primi just incase... Without a blood test what tell tale signs should i be looking for?

 

[oliverduke]

IF you want combat bloat first increase your potassium. It counter acts sodium ......See how that works before jump on an AI.

yeh my estrogen is low as i have regular blood tests to check it so its not estrogen related... I think its gluten related as pointed out in my earlier post from playing around with gluten.

posted my plan above to adding trt to my program, my estrogen is in the low range and I'm not running a high dose NPP so I'm hoping not to come to any prolactin sides?

 

[Mountain-Man]

200 mg a week of mast e is always a great addition or even proviron

 

[bigben66]

To be honest, I realy don't get why so many choose NPP over Deca... costs more, you have to pin more, and at lower doses, estradiol management is minimal anyway...

Each to their own bud, but I would have no qualms running low dose Deca on a cut.

 

[oliverduke]

To be honest, I realy don't get why so many choose NPP over Deca... costs more, you have to pin more, and at lower doses, estradiol management is minimal anyway...

Each to their own bud, but I would have no qualms running low dose Deca on a cut.

just so i can test the water really, all going well and if it feels like a nice addition ill probably switch over to deca... only want to do a 12-15 week run anyway and if i start deca by the time it kicks in it will be too late haha

with a 200mg/week dose would you advise getting prami just to be safe? doubt i would need it though

 

[Megatron28]

just so i can test the water really, all going well and if it feels like a nice addition ill probably switch over to deca... only want to do a 12-15 week run anyway and if i start deca by the time it kicks in it will be too late haha

with a 200mg/week dose would you advise getting prami just to be safe? doubt i would need it though

Be prepared. Get a DA.

 

[oliverduke]

Be prepared. Get a DA.

DA being?

 

[bigben66]

DA being?

Dopamine Agonist

 

[Megatron28]

DA being?

Read the FAQs thread linked in my signature already! It defines things and a whole lot more.

 

[oliverduke]

Read the FAQs thread linked in my signature already! It defines things and a whole lot more.

Thanks mate

Don't some reading, like the sound of caber (dostinex) for its dopamine and prolactin abilities at 0.25-0.5mg once per week

How would you compare it to prami?

Would you advise taking it even with a low dose npp (200mg/week) even if sides are not present?

Doesn't sound as if it does anything detrimental if your prolactin isn't high

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks mate

Don't some reading, like the sound of caber (dostinex) for its dopamine and prolactin abilities at 0.25-0.5mg once per week

How would you compare it to prami?

Would you advise taking it even with a low dose npp (200mg/week) even if sides are not present?

Doesn't sound as if it does anything detrimental if your prolactin isn't high

I personally prefer Caber to Prami as I experienced nausea with Prami. Prami requires building up tolerance. I believe Prami may have GH benefits but don't quote me on that.

I would keep it on hand for what you are proposing rather than running it.

DA's can be addictive in certain cases and encourage addictive behavior in some (e.g. gambling or sex). Can lower BP too. Certain sexual side effects as well -- some considered positive by many. Some have reduced appetite.

 

[oliverduke]

I personally prefer Caber to Prami as I experienced nausea with Prami. Prami requires building up tolerance. I believe Prami may have GH benefits but don't quote me on that.

I would keep it on hand for what you are proposing rather than running it.

DA's can be addictive in certain cases and encourage addictive behavior in some (e.g. gambling or sex). Can lower BP too. Certain sexual side effects as well -- some considered positive by many. Some have reduced appetite.

Yeh i did read up on it and prefer caber to by the looks.

Quite expensive at ********* for 8-1mg tabs, suppose that would last 16 weeks which is quite a while if you done 0.5 a week.

Would you advise prolactin bloods or just go by sides?

the benefits sound quite nice to run anyway but i guess more pills is more potential complications if not needed.. my estro is low so i wouldn't be expecting any sides really