what will i gain ?

[lee_pump]

hi guys.. new to the forum so hey to all.. ill get right to the point.. i train at a top gym and am friendly with a few of the big time guys that have won competitions in the last few years.. and one has offerd me the cycle of test enanthate n cypionate each a 10ml bottle .. didnt want to question his judgement as he knows his stuff so wanted outside opionons

heres the cycle hes offering..

enanthate 2ml a week ( =10ml
cypionate 2ml a week ( = 10ml

for 5 weeks

with novdex on hand

what sort of gains am i looking at from this as i was hopeing to run a 10 weeks cycle as ino it takes time to kick in..

cheers

 

[Pumpingyork]

sounds like u have some idea what you are doing.

how about u just get enanthate get 2 10ml vails of them.

find out what ml/mg ratio it is.

You wont to run it for 10 - 12 weeks at 500mg a week, 250mg Monday and Thursday.
Then run Nolva 2 weeks after lst injection at 40/30/20/20mg Each Day.

 

[Whysoserious]

yeah i would agree here see if you can either just get two enathate or two cypionate

then ya could just run a ml of each every monday and thursday for ten weeks and ya be good to go.

as for gains depends on ya diet/training/sleep/quality of gear etc but i would gain off that bout ten pound bw during the course then keep around half of it after pct

 

[lee_pump]

thanks for the advice... iv been training 2years consistantly and diet is clean with 6 meals a day one cheat meal a week on sat.. totally 3600,cals average on most days with complex carbs being the highest next to that is my protein then roguhly 60grams of fat ... have made very good gains since i started.. weight in at 11st 2 5ft 8 18% body fat.. 2 years on now 13st 5 with 14% body fat .. concentrated on addin mass rather than strippin fat ...

as this is my first cycle would i benifit from the dosages being lower.. ie. 150ml of test monday 150ml on a thursday cycled for 10 weeks or am i better off having it a little higher?

 

[lee_pump]

sounds like u have some idea what you are doing.
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we all have to start from the begining at some point

 

[Whysoserious]

that works out as 300mg test a week, really mild. If this your 1st proper cycle 500 mg a week split into 2 jabs be fine. Is what i did for my first injectable cycle and gains were good.

Only thing i would say is buy some nolvadex before you start the cycle. Some people get gyno from test only cycles,better to have nolvadex on hand than it flair up and not have it.

 

[lee_pump]

yeh i get ya.. yeh the guy is providing novaldex with it dont know the doage per tab ... it was he that recomded the 5 week cycle at 200 of each.. he really knows his stuff an has won is last few comps so i took it his advice was the best.. can you tell me the pro's and con's to the 5 week cycle he offerd ...
just so i get a better understandin.. thanks

 

[Whysoserious]

Dont do a five week cycle

pros there arent any

cons if you are running test twice a week its gonna take 3-4 weeks to kick in, by the time it kicks in you are gunna have a week maybe a week and half of decent training then your gunna have to come off.

Nolvadex is usually 20-30 mg a tablet

 

[lee_pump]

oh right yeh thats sorta what id gatherd anyway... well i now shall sort it out for a longer cycle... thanks for the help pal it is appriciated i shall post up the cycle once i start

 

[Whysoserious]

Yeah ya can do

No worries re help

 

[MethTest]

sounds like u have some idea what you are doing.

how about u just get enanthate get 2 10ml vails of them.

find out what ml/mg ratio it is.

You wont to run it for 10 - 12 weeks at 500mg a week, 250mg Monday and Thursday.
Then run Nolva 2 weeks after lst injection at 40/30/20/20mg Each Day.

How old are you buddy??? very important piece of info missing before can help.

Assuming ur not under 20..... Cyp and Enth are interchangeable you will be fine using these.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

x2 you can use both

also if you are getting 2 10ml bottles that is enough for 10 weeks @ 500 mg a week

 

[lee_pump]

x2 you can use both

also if you are getting 2 10ml bottles that is enough for 10 weeks @ 500 mg a week

yeh its 10ml each so 20ml in all

 

[Biggin]

Yeah, thats enuff for 10 weeks at 500mgs/week. Start pct 2 weeks after last injection. By the way, whats ur age dude??

 

[lee_pump]

age 19 pal

 

[Biggin]

Hey Pal, I think ur way to young for anabolics personally. Ur still wet behind the ears and Ur still growing. I suggest U Eat, Eat, and Train ur ass off for 4-5 more years. Ur natural Test levels are high as hell right now, at least they should be, and U should be smart about it and take advantage of it. That way when U start Ur cycle, at the right time that is, Ur base will be well prepped for new mass and muscle. I wouldnt run nothing for a few more years, seriously.

 

[MethTest]

Hey Pal, I think ur way to young for anabolics personally. Ur still wet behind the ears and Ur still growing. I suggest U Eat, Eat, and Train ur ass off for 4-5 more years. Ur natural Test levels are high as hell right now, at least they should be, and U should be smart about it and take advantage of it. That way when U start Ur cycle, at the right time that is, Ur base will be well prepped for new mass and muscle. I wouldnt run nothing for a few more years, seriously.

+1!! Not trying to be assholes buddy just us tryin to look out for a fellow ologer, at 19 you are at risk of doing some nasty long term damage Dependant on a lot of age related factors, do some research on this site if you dont want to take out word for it. But I guess if you are set on doing it follow the above advice on your cycle and good luck with it keep people informed as they can help you out if you run into problems!

 

[lee_pump]

thanks for the advice and concern..
and no my test levels arent high they are actuly bellow average for my age as have been to doctors about it .. its nothink to be worried about just not a lucky one to have real high levels..

but i will take it into concideration
thanks guys

 

[Pumpingyork]

How old are you buddy??? very important piece of info missing before can help.

Assuming ur not under 20..... Cyp and Enth are interchangeable you will be fine using these.

Im 22.. and yeh no dif using cy and en but why mix em when u can just get two of the same?

 

[bigospreys7]

i agree with biggin, i wouldnt start yet give it a few more years at the very least.