What would be the best Cutting cycle without using Testosterone as a base?

[Iron_dude]

Hi there, I have done 2 cycles already. 1st was Sustanon at 500 mg per week. and 2nd was 500 test E with 50 mg of anavar. I don't like the shut down of Testosterone and honestly I never got an extreme sex drive while I was on it. I always liked how my sex drive/sex life was when I was coming off it on CLOMID at 100 mg for 2 weeks and 50 for the last 2 weeks. . So I want to take an anabolic again. But only a well known cutting steroid and take it with HCG. My desire is only to get fat loss. I am at 15 percent body fat. and I want to know what would be the best cutting agent for me to take and MG per week along with HCG so that I can keep my sex life and get cut at the same time? Please let me know your thoughts.

 

[cybrsage]

Anything that cuts fat will also cut muscle. The body just does not care which it takes, so you need something to force it to not cut muscle.

 

[Wake8er]

Diet,cardio and lifting; if you do not want to use test as a base then steroids aren't for you IMO; most AAS shut down you HPTA gland i.e. shuts down ur body from making test; every cycle needs test as a base;

 

[snowpatrol123]

OP you misunderstand how anabolics work; any AAS will shut you down (not just test) so you may as well replace it so that your body functions normally while you cycle.

For cutting:
1. diet
2. cardio
3. training
4. ECA stack if you want to use something
5. Eventually, if you are below 15, ideally 12% bodyfat...consider a low dose of test while keeping #1-3 at the top of your priority list

 

[Iron_dude]

dude Test also shuts down your HPTA. if I were to use for example Masteron which has little to non estrogenic conversions than its better to use it stand alone along side with HCG rathe than use testosterone and further more suppress your HPTA with it having estrogenic side effects. So wouldn't it be more beneficial to use stand alone masteron along side HCG to help speed the process of fat loss and muscle grow?

 

[HonkyMcMofo]

What are you going to do for test when masteron shuts it down? No more hardons for you. Enjoy your vagina.

 

[Megatron28]

Iron: I would not recommend running AAS without Test. Your body needs Test. hCG will help keep your Natty working a little, but probably not enough. I wouldn't be surprised if it kept you at hypogonadal levels.

Have you considered just running Clomid to boost your natural testosterone levels?

In your previous cycles, where was your estradiol coming in at on your blood work mid-cycle?

P.S. Don't forget that your body needs entrogen. Your body aromatizes testosterone into estrogen. No test = no estrogen.

 

[halfwit]

dude Test also shuts down your HPTA. if I were to use for example Masteron which has little to non estrogenic conversions than its better to use it stand alone along side with HCG rathe than use testosterone and further more suppress your HPTA with it having estrogenic side effects. So wouldn't it be more beneficial to use stand alone masteron along side HCG to help speed the process of fat loss and muscle grow?

HCG won't counter being shut down from the masteron. It just helps recovery as it keeps the testes stimulated. Your body requires testosterone to keep other systems working; like the thyroid and pancreas. Those two alone influence weight loss, and if not functioning optimally, would be counter productive to your goals.

I take it that we're only getting part of the picture here. Are you leaving out the real reason why you want to avoid testosterone? Gyno problems? You don't know how to counter water gain from improperly running test? Some other reason?

SP laid it out for you if you truly don't want to have a test base. Just stay natty, and stick with that.

 

[Iron_dude]

The reason why was because I never got the good side effects from test. I wanted to get a huge sex drive like I used to when i was 17. So i used 500 mg a week. my estrogen never went higher than 39. i used a little of arimidex about .25 every 3 or 4 days. I felt fine. no bad side effects but. i never got the high sex drive that I wanted from test. thats why I'm asking if I use HCG alone side with Masteron will it be more harmful than if i Were to use some testosterone with the cycle

 

[Iron_dude]

lol

 

[tury694]

Use test on the cycle. The only time you should ever be running AAS without test involved is if it is pre contest and you need to come in very dry, and some people just up the AI and lower the test a lot at that point. The HCG is not going to stop you from feeling like shit since you will not have any test in your body. Rethink this whole thing and run 200mg of test and then add in whatever else you want.

 

[halfwit]

The reason why was because I never got the good side effects from test. I wanted to get a huge sex drive like I used to when i was 17. So i used 500 mg a week. my estrogen never went higher than 39. i used a little of arimidex about .25 every 3 or 4 days. I felt fine. no bad side effects but. i never got the high sex drive that I wanted from test. thats why I'm asking if I use HCG alone side with Masteron will it be more harmful than if i Were to use some testosterone with the cycle

You definitely need testosterone as a base, even with HCG. I don't know how you can feel better during PCT libido-wise, unless your AAS was bunk, and you had good SERMs.

Did you get a blood test for testosterone to confirm that it was legit? Shut down occurs regardless of what AAS you're taking, so hoping that HCG will prevent this is false. It's possible that you took very underdosed gear, got shut down, and suffered along until the clomid brought things back up.

Just a thought.

Oh, and masteron isn't a cutting drug. That would be diet which determines how the drugs work.

 

[carverelli]

Cycle around the neighborhood prolly 5-10 miles/day and restrict your calories by 20%