whats the best cutting cycle to maintain size
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soldier74
avi changes as i do
The proof is in the avi (lady's avi)
Old Duffer
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Not ripping on ya (respecting my elders, tho you are not elder to me by much) your thread back last September has it all. You need some test. Trt levels anyway. Add an AI like anastrazole to control estrogen so no water bloat. If the anavar is real, I don't see any problem adding that in. It's not 'the answer' tho.
Diet, diet, diet. It's not as much what you eat as HOW MUCH! Download one of the millions of free apps and track your calories! Cardio is great. Working up a good sweat is great. But cutting is 90% caloric control. You cannot eat over TDEE and lose fat. (Mostly)
Trying as best you can to keep up the workouts will help retain strength, but the fat loss will make your muscles look smaller. More defined, but smaller. That's reality.
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I've done several cycles of test which I had water retention and my waist looked soft. I'm 60 now and would like to lose a few pounds but tighten up and have a summer muscle physique
I have enough for 6 weeks at 50 mg per day. I was wondering which test to use as a base. I heard primo is good for that.
soldier74
avi changes as i do
ive always stuck w/ test e or cyp.
Old Duffer
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This ^^^
Just plain old testosterone. Enanthate or cypionate will do just fine
Just plain old testosterone. Enanthate or cypionate will do just fine
oldmusclemike
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Well it depend on really how far you want to take this. Your Q' reminds me show prep in which diet is what we do and of course since we are at the best of our size at that time we are using Test as our base just as was said. If you are going to do a cycle with what you are doing then of course test must be run, but other compounds are run to maintain size and hardness. While you Diet, diet and diet. Diet being the necessary activity as you well know however you asked about what compunds to use while you diet to hold size and hardness.
In my opinion I have used Winstrol after 8 weeks and for the next 6-8 weeks depending if it be oral or injectable. I don't like oral however it is much cheaper then injectable. Now many will have a problem with Winstrol due to it being hard on the joints. Working with lighter weigh can deter that problem. I love Winstrol and still many do.
Myself I would also use a low therapeutic only dose of Deca that will GREATLY provide joint lubrication. Deca can and is also used during a cutting cycle , it being a 19 nor it will aromatize much less then the test. Even though it is a 19 nor it does aromatize some what.
Also working with lighter weight and more reps, less time between sets can promote a cardio effect. Adding Cardio with that, as you know will help burn that fat. The Winstrol will maintain your hardness and bring out some vascularity. Winstrol is also used for enhancing athletic activity ergo the cardio.
Adding a supplement such as Glucosamine will also help the joints , not just for the use of Winstrol but for joint protection due to lifting.
This was my go to cycle for this purpose of yours.
In my opinion I have used Winstrol after 8 weeks and for the next 6-8 weeks depending if it be oral or injectable. I don't like oral however it is much cheaper then injectable. Now many will have a problem with Winstrol due to it being hard on the joints. Working with lighter weigh can deter that problem. I love Winstrol and still many do.
Myself I would also use a low therapeutic only dose of Deca that will GREATLY provide joint lubrication. Deca can and is also used during a cutting cycle , it being a 19 nor it will aromatize much less then the test. Even though it is a 19 nor it does aromatize some what.
Also working with lighter weight and more reps, less time between sets can promote a cardio effect. Adding Cardio with that, as you know will help burn that fat. The Winstrol will maintain your hardness and bring out some vascularity. Winstrol is also used for enhancing athletic activity ergo the cardio.
Adding a supplement such as Glucosamine will also help the joints , not just for the use of Winstrol but for joint protection due to lifting.
This was my go to cycle for this purpose of yours.
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Primoballin
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Test primo? Never heard of that one. 500 cal defecit per day. Some need cardio to cut fat some can do it with diet only and hard workouts. AAS will help maintain muscle on a defecit ...to a point. Lifting relatively heavy weight while restricting calories is the key to cutting.
Don't fall for the light weights to tone muscle bullshit. Muscle burns calories, fact!
Restrict calories too much and your body will shed muscle to maintain fat stores for survival. That's why a smaller defecit and lifting heavy is paramount. You must force your body to keep the muscle.
Old duffer was mostly right about trimming down. You will be a little smaller, but LOOK bigger as the definition comes out. I'd stay away from stimulant like clen and lots of caffeine especially at 60, as they can be hard on your heart.
Don't fall for the light weights to tone muscle bullshit. Muscle burns calories, fact!
Restrict calories too much and your body will shed muscle to maintain fat stores for survival. That's why a smaller defecit and lifting heavy is paramount. You must force your body to keep the muscle.
Old duffer was mostly right about trimming down. You will be a little smaller, but LOOK bigger as the definition comes out. I'd stay away from stimulant like clen and lots of caffeine especially at 60, as they can be hard on your heart.
Thanks ill stick with the heavy weights and di cardio along with a strict diet. Primobolan is primo.
oldmusclemike
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Let me make myself clear because I may not have.. But before you say don't fall for lighter weigh because what I mean by that is to stay way from the heavy weight low rep as to working the overload workout that hones in on promoting mass growth. OP had made mention specifically that he is happy with his size but want to maintain it while dieting.
I also described my advice as similar to show prep. AND I am promoting Winstrol in which can be hard on joints but is a superior compound for the OP's purpose. The leaning toward a show prep. However his diet would not be quite as hard as show prep.
I will iterate OP is 60 years old and being happy with hi size does not need heavy weight.
Primo I don't know your age or experience so may I enquire ? AND your experience with this goal? I am not really arguing but trying to make clear my one point to my statement of light / lighter weight and your advice.
THanks
oldmusclemike
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Tomclub Of course I respect your choice of sticking with heavy weights. My advice is solid as to keeping what you have as you said that's what you wanted more so then to keeping a building / growth type of cycle.
MY clarification as to maintaining size with some lighter weight is my experience from doing shows. I am also considering 60 years of age. I have been there as I am 65 yrs old now. AS I mentioned my type of routine was a show type routine but keeping the diet not drastic as a show prep.
I also must caution you about sustain the use of heavy weight after the age of sixty. Things will / can and most likely begin to change rapidly in the next five years. Thanks OMM.
That's my 2 cents here
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Primoballin
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OMM, by heavy weights I don't mean power lifting sets of 3-5. More in the 8-12 rep range but more importantly is near failure at the last rep.
Sets of 20 can be growth shocking sets buy I don't make them a standard practice. Remember I said 'relatively heavy'.
I know you've competed when younger and that I can respect. Winny has its place in those weeks prior to a show. In the OP case I' m not sure it's warranted but that his decision.
BTW not dissing you at all. If you felt that it wasn't my intention
Sets of 20 can be growth shocking sets buy I don't make them a standard practice. Remember I said 'relatively heavy'.
I know you've competed when younger and that I can respect. Winny has its place in those weeks prior to a show. In the OP case I' m not sure it's warranted but that his decision.
BTW not dissing you at all. If you felt that it wasn't my intention
oldmusclemike
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Ok Primo, ha we are on the same page, really we are. A little misinterpretation on both sides. Y know when I do and now I have to go lighter I do take it to failure. However keeping that failure to a lesser degree if you will, or not forced reps I should say.
I did put together a bigger cycle then what he probably needs being the use of three compounds.
Thanks guys
I did put together a bigger cycle then what he probably needs being the use of three compounds.
Thanks guys
Ok Primo, ha we are on the same page, really we are. A little misinterpretation on both sides. Y know when I do and now I have to go lighter I do take it to failure. However keeping that failure to a lesser degree if you will, or not forced reps I should say.
I did put together a bigger cycle then what he probably needs being the use of three compounds.
Thanks guys
Thanks for all the input. I'm thinking of one set of 5-8 reps to keep the strength up and 10-12 reps. And diet diet and cardio
Primoballin
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Test without an ai will make you look soft. Not saying you're weren't using an ai , but you didn't say you were either
appleton111
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test up.
