What's the big deal? 19y/o just fine after juice

[Chicken Legs]

Now all the youngbucks opened this hoping for me to say it's ok to start your cycle early but sorry not one of those threads, also don't look at my post count and think im uneducated...

My training buddy took his first cycle at 19 a month before his 20th birthday. He had been lifting for 5, almost 6 years and researched Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) harder than he trained. He ate, he didn't touch alcohol, basically did everything right. He did 400 ius of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) a week for the first 8 weeks of his ten week cycle then went on to nolva from weeks 12-16. His cycle looked like this

1-10 Test (e) 250mg 2x a week
1-4 Dbol 30mg daily
1-8 HCG200 IU 2 a week
12-16 Nolvadex20/20/20/10

He went from 165 and floated around 196-97 ended up keeping his weight at 190. He took xrays before his cycle to make sure his plates were closed, he did blood work and everything... I just wanted to share this with the few early 20s guys who know what they are doing. Now will he be affected 5 years down the road? Will he still be fertile even with good pct? Maybe not, but I think he will be just fine, anyone disagree? Lets get this debate started.

 

[brooklynheight]

good luck

 

[TheChosen1]

Pretty good post, newbie.
Seriously bro, good post. Will he be okay 5 years down the line? 10 years down the line? 20 years? That's really unknown. If you ask any medical personnels, they're say HELL YEAH, he's on the road to a future heart attack, stroke, kidney or liver failure. But as I see it, we're all gonna die sometime from one thing or another. We might as well appear healthy while we're still young. Or rather you younger bucks. I'm already pushing my mid-life crisis moments. lol

 

[DocJ]

IMO still too young but at least he did it right.
Also, how did he get xrays done? What story did he tell the doc?

 

[Derexan]

I just started my cycle yesterday.

I gotta order my post cycle therapy (pct) soon.

 

[gator_mclusky]

IMO still too young but at least he did it right.
Also, how did he get xrays done? What story did he tell the doc?

Yea....how'd he pull that one off'

 

[Incredible Mango]

Way too young and silly. At 19 he has no idea even what his natural potential is yet. The only people that are going to say this is a good thing are those who want to do the same thing. I don't care what precautions he took, fact is at 19 he's still going through puberty (granted the last bit of it) his body is producing hormones like crazy for natural reasons - and having a hard time of it as well (thus the acne, puberty blues, mood swings, etc. etc.). Now on top of that he's added a whole heap of synthetic hormones. Sounds really dumb to me. Who knows how this will affect him? Maybe it won't at all. Maybe his test will be a little bit lower for the rest of his life or maybe there would be some other long term side effect. It's impossible to tell what meddling in God's Kitchen - right at the age where everything is going haywire anyway - is going to do in the long term.

Sure, he may get out of it okay. He may not. I would never have done it and I would never recommend it, no matter what precautions he took.

Until you're about 25 you really haven't even lived long enough as a fully grown man (maybe 4 years) to have learned how to train and eat properly for your own body. Your mate took a quick-fix pill. Good Luck to him, but let's call a spade a spade.

Once you're over ~25, have acheived a lot naturally, know your body, know how to diet, know how to train, then fine. Go nuts, it's your body. Until then you're just too young to know what you're doing because you're not even a fully grown man yet.

 

[Swoleburn]

Yea....how'd he pull that one off'

Would not be hard to do, Many people get xrays to see if they are done growing just out of curiousity. I think he will be fine. It is young to start, but I have heard of people much younger juicing. Each case is different, but Im sure if he is fine after post cycle and all his tests come back normal, he will be fine. As far as fertility goes, Just go have his sperm count tested. Not very hard. Anyways, good luck to your boy

 

[Derexan]

I'm not planning on cycling again until i'm 25 anyways.

Right now, i'm doing what i can becuase i can. I'm trying to maximize all gains i can get in the shortest amount of time

 

[GymLift]

I just started my cycle yesterday.

I gotta order my post cycle therapy (pct) soon.

You should have everything on hand BEFORE starting the cycle.

 

[Derexan]

You should have everything on hand BEFORE starting the cycle.

It's not a big deal. I can get it within a week. My source is fucking awesome.

 

[Incredible Mango]

You're a classic mate.

For everyone with half a brain ^^^^ what NOT to do.

 

[superscotty]

i smell crack

you guys are on crack to think just cause your old ass's are gray that you are safe of all long term effects. You need to read!
but if it makes you feel better to think that they are way worse off then you guys so be it...

been a 3 year med student, i know just a bit about the topic.

its abuse, more so then anything that does the long term harm.

 

[Drij]

For your first cycle is it really necessary depending on the steroid to take an anti-e during cycle, for any age? Being your first cycle and all wouldn't it be better after?

 

[David Gilmour]

Way too young and silly. At 19 he has no idea even what his natural potential is yet. The only people that are going to say this is a good thing are those who want to do the same thing. I don't care what precautions he took, fact is at 19 he's still going through puberty (granted the last bit of it) his body is producing hormones like crazy for natural reasons - and having a hard time of it as well (thus the acne, puberty blues, mood swings, etc. etc.). Now on top of that he's added a whole heap of synthetic hormones. Sounds really dumb to me. Who knows how this will affect him? Maybe it won't at all. Maybe his test will be a little bit lower for the rest of his life or maybe there would be some other long term side effect. It's impossible to tell what meddling in God's Kitchen - right at the age where everything is going haywire anyway - is going to do in the long term.

Sure, he may get out of it okay. He may not. I would never have done it and I would never recommend it, no matter what precautions he took.

Until you're about 25 you really haven't even lived long enough as a fully grown man (maybe 4 years) to have learned how to train and eat properly for your own body. Your mate took a quick-fix pill. Good Luck to him, but let's call a spade a spade.

Once you're over ~25, have acheived a lot naturally, know your body, know how to diet, know how to train, then fine. Go nuts, it's your body. Until then you're just too young to know what you're doing because you're not even a fully grown man yet.

Excellent input...

 

[the_hulk]

Whatsup everyone, Im twenty and have a couple of small cycles under my belt. I started cuz I used to be natural but then some fucker totalled my truck and I ended up in the hospital. I had a scholarship to play ball and I wanted to keep it so I started researching and researching and I went through with it. Before the accident I was 6' and 247lbs. Now after everything im a solid 267. I do not regret the choice I made.

 

[Incredible Mango]

been a 3 year med student, i know just a bit about the topic.

Insert the word, "I THINK" inbetween the words "I" and "know". You don't even know how to properly use the word "been" or to capitalise your I's. So how you got 3 years of medical school under your belt is a small wonder. On top of that you don't even know "enough about the topic" to realise the utter stupidity of your post.

 

[drk_diggler]

I think he's full of shit as well....

 

[Chicken Legs]

Yessir, definitely in fear for what may be down the road.. but it's just my fairly uneducated opinion that since he did it right he will be just fine in the future.. we'll see how the fertility test goes, also i'll talk to him about getting his heart checked... if it's good now I don't see any reason why it would GO bad. Let's all hope and pray! And mr i have medical shut the front door.

 

[Behemoth]

You can't know if he will be just fine in the future. His hormonal system is still developing. There is a good chance that after the age of 35-40, he'll need to be on HRT for the rest of his life when he wouldn't have needed HRT until at least 60 otherwise. It's not that he would have done the cycle wrong, it is that if you do something like this to a developing system, you can seriously fuck it up in ways that will not be apparent until much, much later.

Why take the risk just for some gains? Especially when at that age, your test levels are raging anyway and gains are as easy to get as shoveling some food down your stomach. RETARDED if you ask me. I just don't get why someone who could easily get huge naturally and in a very short period would use steroids. There doesn't seem to be much point.