Whats your thoughts/help on my first cycle?

[jordanq93]

I've been researching and I've been wanting to do a cycle for quite some time now. I'm thinking about doing a 10-12 week cycle (cutting). I've been preparing in small ways just tweeking the diet and working on my consistency in the with workouts and cardio. My only problem is I'm a firefighter that works a 24 hour shift with 48 hours off. I don't get to workout during my days at work but we usually stay pretty busy.. So I'm just not laying on my back in a recliner all day. So basically I'll have 2 days in the gym than 1 off

Stats:
6'0
232 pounds - 18-20% body fat I would estimate.
275/405/305 bench/deadlift/squat

Test-E 500mg a week - 250 on Monday/Thursday
AI - .25 or .50 daily

PCT - 4 weeks
Novla 20/20/10/10
Clomid 50/50/25/25

I was also thinking about throwing in an oral winny the last 5-6 weeks of the cycle.

Thoughts/advice/creative criticism greatly appreciated.

 

[Megatron28]

How old are you?

Are those lifts 1 rep maxes?

 

[jordanq93]

About to turn 22. Deadlift is x3, bench x2, and squat 1RM. Sorry forgot to add that.

 

[hiram1st]

Welcome to ology.

Read this thread and all its links:
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

 

[Megatron28]

Definitely read that thread. There is a section on why you should wait until you are 25 years old.

 

[henry5h5]

For a 1st cycle, too complex.

You're 22. There's no race.

To start, try one compound, testosterone. And lower the dose. 200 or 250 max (1 ml) per week, pharmacy grade. I realize that might sound like baby shit. But it's not. You're putting a powerful compound into your body, with no experience on how it affects you. At your age, your size, in 2 months you might gain 15-20 lbs on just that. I did. And you're bigger than me.

You'll never know what 200 / 250 (1 ml) of test per week will do for you if you don't try it.

If necessary, you can always increase the dosage later.

Have a physician monitor your health both prior, during and after. And then evaluate.

After say several short cycles, 1+ year, after you better understand how your body reacts to testosterone, then maybe add a second compound. Doing it that way, if there are any adverse reactions, you probably know it's from the 2nd compound and/or adding the second compound to the test.

Basically then just take it slow, one step at a time.

 

[Megatron28]

For a 1st cycle, too complex.

You're 22. There's no race.

To start, try one compound, testosterone. And lower the dose. 200 or 250 max (1 ml) per week, pharmacy grade. I realize that might sound like baby shit. But it's not. You're putting a powerful compound into your body, with no experience on how it affects you. At your age, your size, in 2 months you might gain 15-20 lbs on just that. I did. And you're bigger than me.

Have a physician monitor your health both prior, during and after. And then evaluate.

You'll never know what 200 / 250 (1 ml) of test per week will do for you if you don't try it.

You can always increase the dosage later. When you're 23.

I don't get this. Why would you recommend that someone shut down his HPTA and take on all the risks that come with that -- especially with a still developing endocrine system -- to only take a TRT dosage of testosterone? He will be getting himself to the same T levels that he is likely at Natty -- perhaps a little higher. This seems irresponsible to give out advice like this. I know you are new and I am coming down pretty hard on you, but you are potentially telling a kid to mess up his HPTA for very little to no benefit.

 

[henry5h5]

Megatron, Jordang93 is 22. And so were we, once. I figure he's going to take, regardless.

And yes, I am new here, but I'm not that new, lol.

So I'm not recommending anything. At 6', 232, 22 y/o Jordang93 probably is already built as it is (post a photo, young man!). I'm just saying if Jordang93 is going to take, then better to start with a lower dosage and go one step at a time.

Jordang93, if you are going to do this, think on taking only test to start, get familiar over the next year+ with how that affects your body. Get a physician to monitor your health, blood and full lab. Don't try a second compound until you are familiar with what test does for you.

Note) -- What I did not say above is that when I first took test and within weeks gained that 15+ lbs I was only getting two (2) 200 mg/ml injections per month of pharmacy grade testosterone. You do not need anymore than that to start with.

 

[Megatron28]

Megatron, Jordang93 is 22. And so were we, once. I figure he's going to take, regardless.

And yes, I am new here, but I'm not that new, lol.

So I'm not recommending anything. At 6', 232, 22 y/o Jordang93 probably is already built as it is (post a photo, young man!). I'm just saying if Jordang93 is going to take, then better to start with a lower dosage and go one step at a time.

Jordang93, if you are going to do this, think on taking only test to start, get familiar over the next year+ with how that affects your body. Get a physician to monitor your health, blood and full lab. Don't try a second compound until you are familiar with what test does for you.

Note) -- What I did not say above is that when I first took test and within weeks gained that 15+ lbs I was only getting two (2) 200 mg/ml injections per month of pharmacy grade testosterone. You do not need anymore than that to start with.

I am sorry, but this is just riddled with bad advice in my opinion. The few nuggets are far outweighed by the bad.

 

[George1989]

I've been researching and I've been wanting to do a cycle for quite some time now. I'm thinking about doing a 10-12 week cycle (cutting). I've been preparing in small ways just tweeking the diet and working on my consistency in the with workouts and cardio. My only problem is I'm a firefighter that works a 24 hour shift with 48 hours off. I don't get to workout during my days at work but we usually stay pretty busy.. So I'm just not laying on my back in a recliner all day. So basically I'll have 2 days in the gym than 1 off

Stats:
6'0
232 pounds - 18-20% body fat I would estimate.
275/405/305 bench/deadlift/squat

Test-E 500mg a week - 250 on Monday/Thursday
AI - .25 or .50 daily

PCT - 4 weeks
Novla 20/20/10/10
Clomid 50/50/25/25

I was also thinking about throwing in an oral winny the last 5-6 weeks of the cycle.

Thoughts/advice/creative criticism greatly appreciated.

You are too young to start a cycle my friend.

You should read the sticky above

Listen Megatron, he is giving great advises he has experience.

And just to know that probably if you start steroids is for life, it is never only one cycle. Maybe you never be healthy again.

 

[henry5h5]

I am sorry, but this is just riddled with bad advice in my opinion. The few nuggets are far outweighed by the bad.

A 22 y/o man is going to make up his own mind. So, if Jordanq93 is going to take then I think starting with one compound and working with his physician is the way to go.

If Jordanq93 does take anabolics I don't know what if any health issues he's going to encounter as a result. Jordanq93's physician should address that.

Jordanq93, it might help us respond to your wanting to take steroids and your proposed cycle if we knew the reasons why you want to cycle. What are your goals?

Do you want to impress your fellow firefighters? IFBB super heavyweight Mr. Olympia contender Steve Kucklo is a firefighter, is that right?

Do you want to cycle in order to look better naked (and when it comes right down to it who the hell doesn't)? Do you want to compete in a bodybuilding show?

Those last two are sort of redundant. When competing you are basically naked except for a small piece of cloth that covers your penis and ass crack.

I never understood why bodybuilders are forced to where posing trunks that cover up any part of their glutes, the largest muscle, the muscle that BBs spend more time developing than any other.

Jay Cutler and Phil Heath don't seem too concerned with covering their glutes. Their posing trunks definitely have a way of disappearing into their ass cracks, if you've noticed.

Bodybuilders should have the option of wearing g-strings, IMO.

So why Jordanq93 do you want to take steroids?

 

[Megatron28]

If Jordanq93 does take anabolics I don't know what if any health issues he's going to encounter as a result. Jordanq93's physician should address that.

Yet you keep giving out irresponsible advice anyway. Brilliant!

 

[henry5h5]

Yet you keep giving out irresponsible advice anyway. Brilliant!

I don't give advice. I am not a health care professional.

I don't know what if any health care issues Jordanq93 is going to encounter - and neither do you Megatron - because I am not a physician. That's for his physician to address.

From day 1, whether on TRT or here, I give my personal experience, thoughts, and say over and over SEE A DOCTOR.

 

[Megatron28]

I don't give advice. I am not a health care professional.

I don't know what if any health care issues Jordanq93 is going to encounter - and neither do you Megatron - because I am not a physician. That's for his physician to address.

From day 1, whether on TRT or here, I give my personal experience, thoughts, and say over and over SEE A DOCTOR.

But you did give him advice. You recommended shutting down his HPTA to run a TRT dosage. Below is what you said.

To start, try one compound, testosterone. And lower the dose. 200 or 250 max (1 ml) per week, pharmacy grade. I realize that might sound like baby shit. But it's not. You're putting a powerful compound into your body, with no experience on how it affects you. At your age, your size, in 2 months you might gain 15-20 lbs on just that. I did. And you're bigger than me.

You'll never know what 200 / 250 (1 ml) of test per week will do for you if you don't try it.

 

[henry5h5]

Megatron, you are not a health care professional and should not be giving anyone medical advice. You do not know for sure what if any affect a cycle will have on this Jordanq93's health. Jordanq93 should consult his physician.

Internet forums can give people ideas to further research. But ultimately, if you have a concern, you need to discuss with your physician.

And in each of the posts that you selectively quote above I say over and over work with your physician.

Megatron, you can got through all of my posts and pick out this or that sentence and give it the worst possible interpretation and on and on, if you like. You don't seem to have a lot else to do with your time.

Jordanq93, if you are going to cycle, go slow and work with your physician.

 

[Megatron28]

Megatron, you are not a health care professional and should not be giving anyone medical advice. You do not know for sure what if any affect a cycle will have on this Jordanq93's health. Jordanq93 should consult his physician.

Internet forums can give people ideas to further research. But ultimately, if you have a concern, you need to discuss with your physician.

And in each of the posts that you selectively quote above I say over and over work with your physician.

Megatron, you can got through all of my posts and pick out this or that sentence and give it the worst possible interpretation and on and on, if you like. You don't seem to have a lot else to do with your time.

Jordanq93, if you are going to cycle, go slow and work with your physician.

You are way off base and you have no business giving AAS advice to other guys. You don't understand what you are talking about. Please refrain from giving harmful advice to guys and hiding behind the "check with your doc" disclaimer. No doc worth anything will tell a healthy male or female to run a cycle.

 

[Megatron28]

Henry,

Have you ever even run a cycle? I ask because you showed up on the forums just a few days ago asking basic questions about your TRT protocol. You made it sound like you were still navigating your way through TRT. If you are comparing cycles to your personal experience of going from Hypogonadism to TRT, I have news for you. They are two different animals. You can't tell a kid with healthy natural T levels that he will feel better and see huge improvements by running a TRT dose of Test. Bad advice, even if you hide behind the disclaimer of telling him to check with a doc.

 

[Onk]

ok original poster: we're sorry. This henry guy is an idiot and is ruining your thread.

If you are dead set on running a cycle, we can help you. But you'll need to be methodical and scientific in your approach.

If you are just doing it for looks, girls or gains because your diet sucks then please don't even attempt what you're doing.

If you read henry's posts, please forget everything he said as it was utter crap.

 

[Roush]

going to your physician and seeking advice regarding AAS use is STUPID.. most docs don't even know the basics of TRT.. shit, my doc didn't even know that exogenous test converts to estrogen. F'ing idiots. let alone having a physician help you with AAS use-- and then that fact going down on your permanent medical records.

Look,, doctors are not some special class of citizens, they are average joes that happened to get a medical degree and license in their field. no different then a plumber who goes through an apprentice program and gets his plumber license.

 

[Onk]

going to your physician and seeking advice regarding AAS use is STUPID.. most docs don't even know the basics of TRT.. shit, my doc didn't even know that exogenous test converts to estrogen. F'ing idiots. let alone having a physician help you with AAS use-- and then that fact going down on your permanent medical records.

Look,, doctors are not some special class of citizens, they are average joes that happened to get a medical degree and license in their field. no different then a plumber who goes through an apprentice program and gets his plumber license.

except they were the top 1% of students across the country in high school, passed a psych test to get placed into Uni, studied for 7 years to get their bachelors and then doctorate in surgery, then if not a GP, done another year of specialist qualifications. Have to give it to doctors, they have to jump through proverbial hoops to become doctors. plumbers aren't even close.