When and how to hcg /clomid theropy


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When and how to hcg /clomid therapy

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Why Bodybuilders Use Clomid Clomid is a generic name for Clomiphene Citrate and is a synthetic estrogen. It is prescribed medically to aid ovulation in low fertility females. Another generic name is Serophene.

Most anabolic steroids, especially the androgens, cause inhibition of the body's own testosterone production. When a bodybuilder comes off a steroid cycle, natural testosterone production is zero and the levels of the steroids taken in the blood are diminishing. This leaves the ratios of catabolic : anabolic hormones in the blood high, hence the body is in a state of catabolism, and, as a result, much of the muscle tissue that was gained on the cycle is now going to be lost.

Clomid stimulates the hypothalamus to, in turn stimulant the anterior pituitary gland (aka hypophysis) to release gonadotrophic hormones. The gonadotrophic hormones are follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH - aka interstitial cell stimulating hormone (ICSH)). FSH stimulates the testes to produce more testosterone, and LH stimulates them to secrete more testosterone. This feedback mechanism is known as the hypothalamic-pituitary-testes axis (HPTA), and results in an increase of the body's own testosterone production and blood levels rise, to, in part, compensate for the diminishing levels of exogenous steroids. This is vital to minimize post cycle muscle losses.

Not all steroids do cause shut down of the feedback mechanism. Everyone is different and you must also take into account how long you have been using a certain steroid and at what dose in order to determine if you need Clomid or not.

Clomid also works as an anti-estrogen. As it's a weak synthetic estrogen, it binds to estrogen receptors on cells blocking them to estrogen in the blood. This minimizes the negative effects like gynecomastia and water retention that may be a result of estrogen that has aromatised from testosterone.

It's effect as an anti-estrogen are quite weak though, and it should not be relied upon if you are going to be using androgenic steroids that aromatise at a rapid rate, or if you are pre-disposed to gynecomastia. Arimidex and Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) are far more effective anti-estrogens.

Important note: Clomid does not, as is often thought, stimulate the release of natural testosterone, but rather works at reducing the estrogen inhibition caused by the steroid cycle. It does this in a similar manner to the way it and Nolvadex block estrogen receptors in nipples to combat gyno development, i.e. by blocking the estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus and pituitary thus reducing the inhibition from the elevated estrogen. This allows LH levels to return to normal, or even above normal levels, and in turn, natural testosterone levels to also normalize.

Inhibition of the HPTA is caused by either elevated androgen, estrogen or progesterone levels. On cessation of the steroid cycle, androgen levels begin to fall and Clomid dosing is normally commenced according to the half-life of the longest acting drug in the system (see below).

This may also explain the reason individuals often find post-deca recovery more difficult, as the progesterone presence is untouched by the Clomid. We know that Clomid and Nolvadex (being very similar chemically) are both ineffective with regard to reducing progesterone related gyno, so it is reasonable to assume that Clomid has little effect against progesterone levels.

Clomid During A Cycle When we use anabolic steroids, the level of androgens in the body rises causing the androgen receptors to become more highly activated, and through the HPTA, a signal tells our testes to stop producing testosterone. During a cycle the body has far higher than normal levels of androgens and, as long as this level is high enough, Clomid will not help to keep natural testosterone production up. It will be almost all but completely shut off, in theory.

Some heavy androgen users, however, do advocate a small burst of Clomid mid-cycle, though it must be hard for them to say if it really of any benefit, due to the amount of gear they are using. Therefore, the only purpose of Clomid during a cycle is as an anti-estrogen.

When To Start Clomid The correct time to commence Clomid depends on the type and cycle of steroids you have been using. Different steroids have different half-lifes (indicates the time a substance diminishes in blood), and Clomid administration should be taken accordingly.

As we have seen above, Clomid taken when androgen levels in our blood are still high will be a waste. It is crucial to wait for androgen levels to fall before implementing our Clomid therapy. However, if taken too late we could possibly lose gains.

The list below determines when you should start Clomid. Select from the list any steroids you've used in your cycle and whichever one has the latest starting point is the time to commence Clomid. For example, if Dianabol, Sustanon and Winstrol were cycled, the time for administering Clomid should be 3 weeks post cycle, as Sustanon remains active in the body for the longest period of time.

Steroid Time after last administration Length of Clomid Cycle Anadrol50/Anapolan50: 8 - 12 hours 3 weeks Deca durabolan: 3 weeks 4 weeks Dianabol: 4 - 8 hours 3 weeks Equipoise: 17 - 21 days 3 weeks Finajet/Trenbolone: 3 days 3 weeks Primabolan depot: 10 - 14 days 2 weeks Sustanon: 3 weeks 3 weeks Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks 3 weeks Testosterone Enanthate/Testaviron: 2 weeks 3 weeks Testosterone Propionate: 3 days 3 weeks Testosterone Suspension: 4 - 8 hours 2-3 weeks Winstrol 8 - 12 hours 2-3 weeks

How To Take Clomid Clomid has a long half-life (possibly 5 days), so there is no need to split up doses throughout the day. If Sustanon has been used and Clomid is commenced 3 weeks after the last injection, I would estimate that androgen levels are low enough to start sending the correct signals. If androgen levels are still a little high, we need to start at a high enough amount that will work or help, even if androgen levels are still a little high. Try 300mg on day 1; then use 100mg for the next 10 days; followed by 50mg for 10 days.
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Part 2 Theroys on hcg usage doses, ect

Use 29ga slin points not cc's
HCG: This does nothing with regard to inhibition of the hypothalamus and pituitary. Rather it acts like LH, and causes the testicles to produce testosterone just as if LH were present. It is useful then for avoiding testicular atrophy during the cycle. The best dosing method is to use small amounts frequently: 500 IU per day is sufficient, and 1000 IU may optionally be used. The amount may be given as a single daily dose or divided into two doses. Administration may be intramuscular or subcutaneous. More is not better: too much Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) can result in downregulation of the LH receptors in the testes, and is therefore counterproductive. Overdosing of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) can also result in gynecomastia

Everyone's got their own theries bro. I heard 2 to 3 weeks is best. I get a 10,000iu kit and do 5 iu points on pin for 20 days. ------------ 10,000iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) kit/ 5iu's points (slin pin) times 20days=a 10,000iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) kit. ------------ 5,000iu kit/ 5 iu points a day for 10 days with 5,000iu kit=10 days. ------------ I also heard of guy shooting 2,500iu in one day a week for 2 weeks thats why I am trying to help show proper methods I have done research on it (lots).

confusing but work well for me! ---------------- For bros who use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at high doses 2 times a week.

I think it is best to do Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at 500iu or 1000iu ed rather than 2 shoots of 2500iu 2 times a week. To much at one time can result in downregulation of the LH receptors in the testes, and is therefore counterproductive. Overdosing of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) can also result in gynecomastia

Just trying to help out bro's take care
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conversion on HCG to iu's slin pins

Subject: RE: RE: How many mL's of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) equals 500 iu???

10,000 iu kit 5ius points on slin pin =500iu

a bit confusing in terms of how much but maybe it will help you: must be kept refrigerated once mixed and good for about a month after mixed. inject under skin w/slin pin (I prefer stomach) example/

profasi 10,000iu kit comes with 1cc of sterile water. Once you reconstitute, 5 iu's on an insulin point (10,000iu kit)equals 500ius

So many don't know how to convert to do over 3 week period with slin pin i.u.'s and converted it to an easy for me to convert by slin i.u's over 3 weeks on paper. 5 i.u's everyday of profasi 10,000 iu kit will last like 20 days.. optimium dosage with clomid/hcg from many many articles for 3 weeks, (read article below for times) just my way seems simpler to me 5 iu's a day for 20 days = 10,000iu kit.

5 slin iu's times 20 days = 10,000 i.u's kit it can be a bit confusing to newbies to Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) ---------------------------------------------
Lollefer makes a 10ml 10,000 iu kit for vet, same results though I believe profasi 10,000iu is disconinued (human grade).

All iu conversions are diffrent with Lollefer 1 ml or cc would be 1000 iu's can be done 1 cc ed for 10 days or 1.5 cc 750iu for about 15 days.
There has been so much said on this topic and I am still blissfully confused. Llewellyn and Rea both advocate doses of 5000iu+ every 5 days (with a little tapering) while Roberts indicates much lower doses more frequently. When "those in the know" hold totally opposing views on dose and when Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) should be used in a cycle it leaves me as a lay person with little comfort that anyone "really" knows what to do.
its water-based short half-life a day why do a whooping 5000iu one day a week when you can spread out and have levels remain more even in blood?

It makes no sense anything over 1500 iu can shut you down fast!

Believe me from experience with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), not a medical paper but hands on usage!

they are blowing smoke out their ass!
if that were the case do all you prop, susp (short esters) one day a week blast 700 mg's? no no keep blood levels constant!

It seems more easy and conviniant but not best way by far!
Nice post. The more i research this Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) shit the more confused i get.
I'm coming off a cycle in 8 weeks time. I have always used a high dose of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but I'm gonna try it as you have recommended. Thanks for your advice. If it works as well at a lower dose I'd much rather stick to that than pump 5000iu at a time. Logic should prevail in the end.
GREAT Post. I've got a question though. I am getting ready to finigh up my 10 week Sus 250 cycle (500mg a week). I want to start Winstrol (winny) for 6 weeks begining next week. Should I wait to do clomid at week#13 and run Clomid and Winstrol (winny) at the same tiime? Or do I wait till after Winstrol (winny) is all gone before starting my clomid cycle. BTW: I have the liquid clomid.

Stat's are 6'4" 240 bf% aprox 13%...I feel like a fat ass right now....I'm trying to get back down to a solid 230 w 10% BF
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Should I wait to do clomid at week#13 and run Clomid and Winstrol (winny) at the same tiime? Or do I wait till after Winstrol (winny) is all gone before starting my clomid cycle. BTW: I have the liquid clomid.

Start the clomid the day after you take your last Winstrol (winny) shot!