Which Clen is better??????

SPANIARD_2003

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Need some help here bro's!!

Which kind of clen would you recommend? (quality of product)

I ask because some seem to be a piece of crap like Oxyflux.

However, I hear good things about:

Spiropent (Italian clen) and Nihfi (Bulgarian)

And have never heard anything good or bad about:

Ventolin (similar to clen) and Brontel ( Mexican clen)

Please help me out here bros!!

thanks :)
 
I would personally go with the Spiropent myself even though I have heard that the new batches of Oxyflux in blisters are pretty good. Can anyone confirm this?
 
LAWNSAVER said:
spiropent is a solid brand

I would stay away from clen...the effects it has on the heart are horrible!

How is clen that horrible for you bro? This is not flaming you, I just want to know why? I have ran clen before and want to run it in the future?
 
Here are a couple of articles with abstracts.

I also took it for about 2 weeks and my heart actually hurt. The shakes were horible, but the actual aching of my heart was to much!

Myotoxic effects of clenbuterol in the rat heart and soleus muscle.

Burniston JG, Ng Y, Clark WA, Colyer J, Tan LB, Goldspink DF.

Research Institute for Sport and Exercise Sciences, Liverpool John Moores University, Liverpool L3 2ET, United Kingdom. hhsjburn@livjm.ac.jp

Myocyte-specific necrosis in the heart and soleus muscle of adult male Wistar rats was investigated in response to a single subcutaneous injection of the anabolic beta(2)-adrenergic receptor agonist clenbuterol. Necrosis was immunohistochemically detected by administration of a myosin antibody 1 h before the clenbuterol challenge and quantified by using image analysis. Clenbuterol-induced myocyte necrosis occurred against a background of zero damage in control muscles. In the heart, the clenbuterol-induced necrosis was not uniform, being more abundant in the left subendocardium and peaking 2.4 mm from the apex. After position (2.4 mm from the apex), dose (5 mg clenbuterol/kg), and sampling time (12 h) were optimized, maximum cardiomyocyte necrosis was found to be 1.0 +/- 0.2%. In response to the same parameters (i.e., 5 mg of clenbuterol and sampled at 12 h), skeletal myocyte necrosis was 4.4 +/- 0.8% in the soleus. These data show significant myocyte-specific necrosis in the heart and skeletal muscle of the rat. Such irreversible damage in the heart suggests that clenbuterol may be damaging to long-term health.

PMID: 12381771 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



Clenbuterol is a popular - but banned - drug used by athletes in body-building, power-related, and even endurance sports. The chemical is attractive to athletes because it appears to have an anabolic effect on human muscles, and it may also increase fat metabolism. However, the actual effects of long-term clenbuterol intake on performance, muscle power, and overall health have been unclear.

To determine some of clenbuterol's actions, scientists at the University of Melbourne in Australia recently gave clenbuterol to laboratory rats at dosages of 2 milligrams per kilogram of body weight per day. Some of the rats followed a completely sedentary lifestyle, while others sprinted on treadmills or engaged in endurance swim training. Clenbuterol did have a couple of potentially positive effects: Sedentary rats which ingested clenbuterol had larger muscles than clenbuterol-free, sedentary rodents, and clenbuterol users also transformed leg-muscle cells from slow-twitch to fast-twitch fibres, a surprising change which would tend to increase anaerobic energy production and magnify muscle power during short, intense exertions.

However, clenbuterol also yielded three very negative changes. First, after just four weeks, clenbuterol-treated rats were unable to maintain their normal swimming or running training intensities, while clean rodents were quite capable of continuing. Secondly, the hearts of the clenbuterol-taking, trained rats increased dramatically in size compared to the hearts of sedentary rats, but the heart expansion was probably due to the infiltration of collagen fibres into the heart walls, not an increase in heart-muscle cells. Collagen is a tough connective tissue which doesn't augment heart-muscle power but in fact stiffens the heart, potentially leading to a decrease in cardiac output. Increases in collagen may also produce cardiac arrhythmias. Thirdly, clenbuterol rats suffered from noticeable cardiac-cell degeneration.

In addition, although sedentary, clenbuterol-treated rats were more muscular than clenbuterol-free, sedentary rats, clenbuterol was unable to boost muscle mass among either the swim- or treadmill-trained rodents. It appears that, in spite of its popularity, clenbuterol is a potentially dangerous drug which offers very few positive effects for either the power or endurance athlete.

('The Effects of Clenbuterol on Skeletal and Cardiac Muscle of Rats when Combined with Aerobic and Anaerobic Exercise, ' Biochemistry of Exercise Ninth International Conference Abstracts, #117, p 75, 1994)
 
the new batches of oxyflux are very strong, ran those last month and now are on the spiropent, the oxyflux was stronger I think
 
The dose used in both of those test is sky high. For a typical 220 lb bodybuilder they would be using 100mg of Clen. I don't think those test are very practical.
 
THanks but can we please stay on the fucking Main topic/question here!!!

WHich brand is better in quality???

Hubei (chinese)
Oxyflux
Spiropent (italian)
Nihfi ( bulgarian)
Brontel (mexican clen)

I would appreciate a response based on personal experiences!

thanks bro's
 
Thank you MVmaxx!!!!

Thats the kind of input im looking for!!!!

Can anyone else have some input from
personal experience????

thanks again mvmaxx
 
spiropent is IMO a reputable brand... personally i liked LR the best...


i love you LR! ::begins to cry::
 
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