which cycle will give me better collagen synthesis?

[secret_identity]

My training partner and I are going to cut, I have ATLEAST 50lbs to cut before I get into contest shape. over the last 6 months I was having awesome strength gains, adding almost 100lbs to my bench squat, and deadlift, and just kept adding clean calories every time I plateaued, leaving me with way too much fat.

My training partner wants to do a trenbolone, masterone, testosterone propionate cycle but I'm worried about my joints/collagen synthesis.

should I:
A: replace tren with deca?
B: keep the tren add a high dose of EQ?
C: not worry about it since I'm cutting and won't be making major strength gains if any?

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

i think it's good to you to read this. it's a great thread!!
---> http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...al-muscle-collagen-synthesis-certain-aas.html

 

[secret_identity]

i think it's good to you to read this. it's a great thread!!
---> steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/143212-increase-skeletal-muscle-collagen-synthesis-certain-aas.html

I've read it, but I still have questions regarding mixing AAS that inhibits and antagonizes "correct term?" collagen synthesis.

Tren dries joints out, and test inhibits collagen sythesis, so if it's combined with EQ which one is more dominant? This is the major question.

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

yes, EQ is good for the procollagen I II II i noticed this fact in my own cycles.

i used EQ only for his propertys on procollagen. 3mgr/kg and per week is enough. combined with test of corse.

 

[zephyr_987]

bro i had the same concerns when i first started AAS.... i have very bad knee issues so when i first found that thread that Kane advised u to read it was like finding the holy grail. that being said i usually dont run test at more than 200-250mg/week, i run deca at 600mg/week along with all the joint supps i can stack (glucosamine, lots of MSM, Chondroitin, SAMe, hyaluronic acid and more) i have to say that in my experience, i feel the Deca effects way more than testosterone, because im only shooting about 200mg test. i do get some pretty steady muscle and weight gains , but not as fast and drastic than if i were to shoot 500mg+ of testosterone per week... but my primary goals is keeping my joints strong and healthy.

 

[secret_identity]

is it worth the gains to use tren + EQ instead of Deca?

 

[chocolatemilk]

I have not tried EQ

I have tried deca and NPP

NPP was fucking amazing to my joints. My wrists and right shoulder were battered after a beastdrol cycle so I jumped on test and NPP for a little bit. Within a week I was curling and benching again without any problems. Lasted a good while after the cycle too but I did notice the effects drop off.

 

[UserAt204]

Test won't stop collagen synth of other compounds, it may reduce how effective it is but I don't believe it will completely negate the effects.

If you will be cutting, and cutting that much weight, you need to focus on maintaining muscle. Tren of course is king at this, and may help cut bf, and may add muscle in a deficit. No others do that.

Var and primo also both good for maintaining muscle in calorie deficit. I would run a combo of test/tren/primo/var. Or just choose primo or var. If worried about joints you could always add a low dose nandrolone to help

 

[Shrugs]

Try adding some Cissus in your supp line up. Works better for me than Glucos and Msm. Way better actually

 

[noobmuscle]

If you will be cutting, and cutting that much weight, you need to focus on maintaining muscle. Tren of course is king at this, and may help cut bf, and may add muscle in a deficit. No others do that.

Gotta love the food effeciency of tren!

 

[secret_identity]

Test won't stop collagen synth of other compounds, it may reduce how effective it is but I don't believe it will completely negate the effects.

If you will be cutting, and cutting that much weight, you need to focus on maintaining muscle. Tren of course is king at this, and may help cut bf, and may add muscle in a deficit. No others do that.

Var and primo also both good for maintaining muscle in calorie deficit. I would run a combo of test/tren/primo/var. Or just choose primo or var. If worried about joints you could always add a low dose nandrolone to help

Tren sounds great. I think I'll just add a mild dose of EQ to that stack and run the tren. how much do you think I will be able to cut on tren? as a natty I usually cut about 2lbs per week, could I possibly do 4-5lbs a week without losing too much muscle? I got greedy with my gains this year. I added about 100lbs to all my major lifts but got FAT, because I was adding calories every time I plateaued. I have ATLEAST 50lbs to cut to get into contest shape.