Which test to add?

[Puma23]

So ive been running Winstrol (winny) going on my 2nd week, been waiting for my tren e to come but its been some delay. Ive been reading and i see you shouldnt run tren without test, plus i feel my sex drive is down some since on the Winstrol (winny).

Im pinning 50mg Winstrol (winny) ed will be doing 400mg tren e EW also running clen in a pyrimad style.

Im not sure which test is best for me. Im 6"4 290-300, depending on the day. I also will need a pct, like nolv or clomid, also again unsure how much to take on that.. any advise would be appreciated, thanks.

 

[1badmofo]

You might be getting in over your head with tren, sides can be a bitch for some. Short cycles I like test prop, longer cycles run Test Enanthate or Cypionate (these two are the same to me).

 

[Puma23]

yeah ive been reading about the sides of tren but im going to give it a shot and see how i react. I will be doing an 8 week cycle so maybe prop then?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

if its 8 weeks get prop for sure.

are you running tren e or tren a?

 

[Puma23]

if its 8 weeks get prop for sure.

are you running tren e or tren a?

tren e

which post cycle therapy (pct) should i take? clomid or nolv? im not too familair with post cycle therapy (pct)'s since i usually cycle non aromatise gear

 

[MotorIHead]

Why not find out full stats on this dood before giving advice ?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

i wouldnt run the tren right now i would save it for a cycle down the road-and just run a prop cycle right now.

motorhead-when a guy is already on his cycle-getting stats is kinda ponitless...

 

[1badmofo]

Why not find out full stats on this dood before giving advice ?

I hear you bro, that's always a good place to start, but fucking guys are going to do what they want anyway. I would like to talk him out of tren but it ain't happening.

 

[Puma23]

I hear you bro, that's always a good place to start, but fucking guys are going to do what they want anyway. I would like to talk him out of tren but it ain't happening.

I've heard good things and bad things about tren. Tren gives you sweats, tren makes you lose sleep. Tren also makes you cut fat and harden you up. Im looking to get cut and gain lean muscle and gain strength without gaining too much size, as im already bulky . So if tren is not the gear for me at this time, im more than willing to hold off on it.. im willing to listen to suggestions.

 

[Puma23]

if i run test cyp, then how often do i run it? i think its 200 or 250mg/ml

 

[1badmofo]

I've heard good things and bad things about tren. Tren gives you sweats, tren makes you lose sleep. Tren also makes you cut fat and harden you up. Im looking to get cut and gain lean muscle and gain strength without gaining too much size, as im already bulky . So if tren is not the gear for me at this time, im more than willing to hold off on it.. im willing to listen to suggestions.

well we should back up and get your age, stats, cycle experience. Tren is a bad ass steroid but it can be a bitch for sides and running multiple compounds make it harder to sort out issues.

 

[1badmofo]

if i run test cyp, then how often do i run it? i think its 200 or 250mg/ml

test cyp or test e are both long ester so you would inject twice per week, probably 1ml per injection for 250, 1.25ml for 200 if you are aiming for 500mg per week.

heck you could even do it all in one shot a week if you don't like injecting, but I prefer to split it up to keep blood levels level

 

[thatotherguy]

Tren does have some nasty sides.

 

[JMB1]

If was running a test cycle only.. no tren
I would use some prop for the first 2 weeks to kickstart the longer acting test.
Use the prop in the final 2 weeks at the end to be more in control of your test levels.
Then the hit post cycle therapy (pct). good luck

 

[Puma23]

well we should back up and get your age, stats, cycle experience. Tren is a bad ass steroid but it can be a bitch for sides and running multiple compounds make it harder to sort out issues.

Im 28 6"4 290 around 21%bf, ive only done orals up to this point, but this is my 1st time pinning. I bench 405, deadlift 500 squat 465. I have 3 vials of tren e on the way whenever it gets here. Only other compound i would be running with the tren, which is my orginial cycle would be clen(oral) and Winny(inject). Im definetly up for this boards recommendaitons. I workout 5days a week, play rugby and my diet is clean.

 

[1badmofo]

I've never run Winstrol (winny) because it's liver toxic, hard on the joints, hard on cholesterol levels, and hairline for some. I would just run a test cycle and an oral such as tbol, dbol, or anavar, but based on what you have already I will make suggestions. Not sure how long you want to cycle, I will assume 12 weeks? Something like this would work if you want to run all that.
wk 1-12 500-600mg Test E or Test Cyp
wk 1-8 300-400mg Tren E
wk 8-12 50mg ED Winstrol (winny) (fyi, Winstrol (winny) is still liver toxic when injected)
Start PCT 14 days after your last shot, using a SERM such as Nolva, Clomid, Toremifene, there are thread on here about PCT and dosages.
I recommend running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) from week 3-12 at 250iu every 3-4 day. This will keep your balls from shrinking away and help you recover and keep gains.
Have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand to control estrogen sides (from test), such as amiridex or extremestane is better IMO. This is for bloat and gyno.
Have a dopamine antagonist receptor on hand to control prolactin sides from the tren, such as prami, cabergoline, or bromocriptine. This is to help avoid erectile issues and make sure your nipples don't start lactating from prolactin build up. Some guys skip these steps just fine, but better safe than sorry.

 

[Puma23]

dude thats alot of help thanks a ton. The Tren and test is EW? im gonna have to research and see what i can get. im already on winny/clen so i would have to stop.