Why use HCG?

[DocJ]

Why is it important to keep LH up on cycle?

It's only important if you want to have a jump start on returning your HPTA more quickly post cycle. Of course if you use HCG at the end before post cycle therapy (pct) you're technically doing the same thing just with higher doses.

 

[outlawtas]

It's only important if you want to have a jump start on returning your HPTA more quickly post cycle. Of course if you use HCG at the end before post cycle therapy (pct) you're technically doing the same thing just with higher doses.

So then there is no advantage to running HCG more than required prior to post cycle therapy (pct). The HCG protocol I'm thinking about is a combination of the 2 major ones....using a short duration but with a lower dose.

I'll be running it on my next cycle and will compare it to my last 2, which used the conventional method.

And lucky, your right, HCG is fairly cheap for your average cycle. But what about guys that are on all year? Not to mention thatHCG can, at some times, be very difficult to get a hold of.

 

[GymLift]

Yes, you're keeping LH levels up but your boys still aren't producing test (you're still shut down) but when you start post cycle therapy (pct) with a SERM you should (in theory) recover the HPTA more quickly.

Clarification:

hCG is essentially the same as LH.

The body normally produces LH all the same time, but not while on cycle.

A low dose of hCG while on cycle mimics what the body usually does

When using hCG, the testes will produce testosterone. In effect, hCG prevents the testes from shutting down, but it does not stop hypothalmus/pituitary suppression, which is why we still need post cycle therapy (pct).

 

[outlawtas]

When using hCG, the testes will produce testosterone. In effect, hCG prevents the testes from shutting down, but it does not stop hypothalmus/pituitary suppression, which is why we still need PCT.

How much test would the testes produce with stimulation from Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG)? And again, what's the advantage in producing test early on, as opposed to just before PCT?

Not trying to be combative, just trying to understand

 

[GymLift]

How much test would the testes produce with stimulation from Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG)? And again, what's the advantage in producing test early on, as opposed to just before PCT?

If you were to inject perhaps 200iu every day, then that would perhaps produce a normal amount of testosterone. But this would certainly vary from person to person.

As for using just before post cycle therapy (pct), it is easier to keep the engine running than start it back up, basically.

If you were to delay starting hCG until several weeks into your cycle, then that would be ok, but the hCG makes a lot of guys just feel better for some reason.

Another reason which will probably carry more weight with most guys: when testicular atrophy occurs, things don't always pop back. There is at least one member on this board that suffered testicular atrophy...post cycle, one ball came back, but the other one never did. =O

 

[outlawtas]

Points taken.

 

[DocJ]

mranak explained this much better than I did, good job

 

[ManOfMuscle]

Nice swoop in Mranak. You did make things perfectly clear. I'm using the 250 iu eod method this cycle

 

[Sublime25]

kind of noob but will I be fine after a 12weeks cycle if I use post cycle therapy (pct) only ?

 

[outlawtas]

kind of noob but will I be fine after a 12weeks cycle if I use post cycle therapy (pct) only ?

At this point in time, I would say that HCG is pretty much mandatory during a cycle. Will you be fine with a standard post cycle therapy (pct)? Most likely yes...however using HCG will signifcantly reduce your recovery time, thus allowing you to retain more gains.

Like posted above, it's fairly cheap and easy to use. It just makes sense period.

 

[HighBall]

There is at least one member on this board that suffered testicular atrophy...post cycle, one ball came back, but the other one never did. =O

Which member is this?

Im currently on 1000 iu's on mon. wed fri. , its been 1 1/2 weeks, 5000iu's later. Of course i ran 600 test 400 deca for 18 weeks.

 

[GymLift]

Which member is this?

I'd have to search the board for who knows how long.

Im currently on 1000 iu's on mon. wed fri. , its been 1 1/2 weeks, 5000iu's later. Of course i ran 600 test 400 deca for 18 weeks.

If you insist on using such a high weekly dose, at least use 500iu/day 6 days/week instead of 1,000iu/day 3 days/week. This will give you just as much benefit but lower your chances or problems.

 

[lartinos]

great thread for the newbs