Will start my 2nd cycle and really need your advice on getting this one correct.

[Jhathinue]

Hey community,

Thanks for putting this together, so we all can correctly benefit from the information. First time posting, so my apologies for any confusion and wording.
If I don't reply right away means I'm at work and am 6 hours ahead, working in Europe. Thanks in advance.

Stats are:
Age 37
5'9 at 192 lbs
BF around 14%
Training for around 7-10 years off and on
Cycled through Test E. and Nolvadex last October, 2014.

My blood work will be completed next week.
Which stats should I be looking for and at what levels ?



Cycle:

1-12 Test. Enathante (250mg every 3.5 days)
1-12 HCG ( 7 pills daily or 250 iu every 3.5 days)
1-14 GW-50 (20 mg ED to PCT start)
1-17 Liquidex (ED)

9-14 Winstrol (50mg ED -cap)
9-14 S-4 (25mg ED -cap)
9-14 N2guard (ED)


PCT: 15-19

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20
AI's will be as listed above 1-17weeks (Liquidex and Arimidex) The entire cycle


Will add N-Acetyl cysteine (ED for liver protection)




Also, off of Amazon I saw:

CYCLE SUPPORT
amazon.com/dp/B007HP04UM/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=WSXV3EAAOZH2&coliid=IAKUPKWHV9SJG

and

PCT SUPPORT
amazon.com/Xtreme-Cycle-Support-Testosterone-Booster/dp/B00BFCFV8S/ref=pd_bxgy_hpc_img_y



So, question is please help me if you like to ***8220;fine***8221; tune my program, so I can do it safely and correctly. All comments are welcome, even the not so nice ones
As, I said before I will respond to any questions, once I am home, but I work many hours, so please forgive me, when I don't reply so quickly.

Take care everyone and hope to hear from you all soon.

 

[oldmusclemike]

Stop... only one AI. Liquidex is Arimidex. .125 EOD is good. this will crash your E2. DO not crash your E2. That's the first thing.
This is very important
Also what is your age and history with steroids. Do you understand what an AI is and why you use it. Do you understand the sides of low E2 as well as high. Your estrogen plays a big roll in aas use and your ability to build muscle as well as keeping yourself healthy during a cycle

 

[Jhathinue]

Hey OMM,

Thanks for the reply I am stopping to listen. Ok I didn't know Liquidex was Arimidex, so I'll correct that immeditely. I'll read more about the E2 and not crashing it.
I saw a wealth of information on this site, so I'll go back to it and read up on AI and E2. I'm going to edit that mistake now between liquidex and Arimidex and thanks for the great advice.

I saw a couple forums on benefits of E2. Would you still recommend that I take Liquidex through my whole cycle 1-17 weeks or just read about it, before asking the question ?


My age is 37 and I've cycled through Test. E and nolvadex last October.

 

[hiram1st]

Welcome to ology.

Read this thread and all its links:
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

 

[Jhathinue]

Got it Hiram and thanks. I'll start reading this asap.

 

[Jhathinue]

I re-read and "digested" a lot of the information on 'Ology Frequently Asked Questions forum and other threads from Austinite and Megatron28 and others, so I wanted to re-post my thread for extra feedback, if you all have time.
I'll start my 2nd cycle within the next two weeks once my blood work comes in. Thanks guys and take care.


Stats are:
Age 37
5'9 at 192 lbs
BF around 15-16%
Training for around 5-7 years off and on

Experience: Cycled through Test E. and Nolvadex last October, 2014, which was my first cycle at 250mg every 3.5 days


Cycle:

1-12wks. Test. Enathante (300mg every 3.5 days)
1-12wks. HCG (250 iu every 3.5 days)

9-14wks Winstrol (50mg ED -cap)


*I was not prone to gyno last cycle, but will have Liquidex on hand if need be for this cycle


PCT: 15-19wks

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20


Will add N-Acetyl cysteine (600mg ED for liver protection)




Your thoughts, if you all have time would be appreciated. Again, will start cycle in 2 weeks once blood work comes in.
Would like some advice, before I start.

Take care everyone

 

[tury694]

I re-read and "digested" a lot of the information on 'Ology Frequently Asked Questions forum and other threads from Austinite and Megatron28 and others, so I wanted to re-post my thread for extra feedback, if you all have time.
I'll start my 2nd cycle within the next two weeks once my blood work comes in. Thanks guys and take care.


Stats are:
Age 37
5'9 at 192 lbs
BF around 15-16%
Training for around 5-7 years off and on

Experience: Cycled through Test E. and Nolvadex last October, 2014, which was my first cycle at 250mg every 3.5 days


Cycle:

1-12wks. Test. Enathante (300mg every 3.5 days)
1-12wks. HCG (250 iu every 3.5 days)

9-14wks Winstrol (50mg ED -cap)


*I was not prone to gyno last cycle, but will have Liquidex on hand if need be for this cycle


PCT: 15-19wks

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20


Will add N-Acetyl cysteine (600mg ED for liver protection)




Your thoughts, if you all have time would be appreciated. Again, will start cycle in 2 weeks once blood work comes in.
Would like some advice, before I start.

Take care everyone

You need to run the test up until 14 weeks if you are going to use the winny. You don't want winny in your system with little or no test as it is actively going to be suppressing your natural test levels. Run the liquidex from the very beginning. I say to use only .25mg every other day. You will have high estraidol if you do not run it, trust me. If you adjust these things then you will have a great cycle. Good luck bud.

 

[Jhathinue]

You need to run the test up until 14 weeks if you are going to use the winny. You don't want winny in your system with little or no test as it is actively going to be suppressing your natural test levels. Run the liquidex from the very beginning. I say to use only .25mg every other day. You will have high estraidol if you do not run it, trust me. If you adjust these things then you will have a great cycle. Good luck bud.

Awesome advice Tury! Thanks for helping me out with my cycle.


How about this adjusted cycle ?


1-14wks. Test. Enathante (300mg every 3.5 days)
1-14wks. HCG (250 iu every 3.5 days)
1-14wks. Liquidex (0.25mg EOD)

9-14wks. Winstrol (50mg ED -cap)


PCT: 16-19wks

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20


N-Acetyl cysteine (600mg ED for liver protection)



Did I make the corrected adjustments and it all looks solid ?

 

[hiram1st]

Awesome advice Tury! Thanks for helping me out with my cycle.


How about this adjusted cycle ?


1-14wks. Test. Enathante (300mg every 3.5 days)
1-14wks. HCG (250 iu every 3.5 days)
1-14wks. Liquidex (0.25mg EOD)

9-14wks. Winstrol (50mg ED -cap)


PCT: 16-19wks

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20


N-Acetyl cysteine (600mg ED for liver protection)



Did I make the corrected adjustments and it all looks solid ?

Increase the NAC run 2000mg on cycle

 

[Jhathinue]

Increase the NAC run 2000mg on cycle

Will do Hiram! 2000mg daily or EOD? Anything else you can think of to keep me safe?

I appreciate your help.

 

[hiram1st]

Will do Hiram! 2000mg daily or EOD? Anything else you can think of to keep me safe?

I appreciate your help.

Daily on the NAC. I use liv .52 along with NAC they work in synergy. You don't need to do this it's just an added precaution I take

Start the PCT 16 days after last injection 2 weeks is old school.

Run the adex up to a day before starting PCT

 

[Jhathinue]

Daily on the NAC. I use liv .52 along with NAC they work in synergy. You don't need to do this it's just an added precaution I take

Start the PCT 16 days after last injection 2 weeks is old school.

Run the adex up to a day before starting PCT

I'll look into Amazon for the Liv. Any extra precautions is great with me. Thanks

I don't have Adex (Arimidrex) in this cycle. Your stating I should get that included in my cycle? Do I need to replace my Liquidex with Arimidex?

Am I understanding you here?

 

[Hypnotix]

Hey you're a good listener, and interested in the "safe" practices.. we need more people like you around.

I would run your Nolvadex - 40/40/20/20
And if it makes you feel more "recovered" you can do 5 weeks of Clomid if you'd want.. just stay away from the cycle support crap on Amazon, or ProHormone websites..

I've heard Winny is very liver toxic.. May have mis-interpreted, but if that is true (look into it), I would definitely run all the liver support supplements Hiram1st has told you he runs! That guy is very good for info.

Also, what is your main goal for this cycle? And why Winny as your 2nd compound?

Winstrol doesn't do our body much benefit, it's negatives are not worth it in my opinion, not for the every day steroid user at least..are you contest prepping or anything? I would maybe consider a different 2nd substance, that's just me though. Most will do a second cycle with something like; Test Only 750mg/Wk, Test/Deca, Test/EQ, Test/Dbol.. look into these and see if any fit your goals. These might get you where you want to go a little quicker provided your diet and training is great alongside it.

Ask around a bit about Winstrol and come up with a comprehensive view on the drug for yourself.

Hope I've helped a little

Welcome to Ology by the way!

 

[Hypnotix]

I'll look into Amazon for the Liv. Any extra precautions is great with me. Thanks

I don't have Adex (Arimidrex) in this cycle. Your stating I should get that included in my cycle? Do I need to replace my Liquidex with Arimidex?

Am I understanding you here?

Crap, also, Liquidex is Arimidex.

If he says to run your Arimidex up until the day before PCT, he's talking about the Liquidex. Same thing. Just a different companies lingo for the same product.

 

[Roush]

I'd drop the winny. ,, I see no benefit to it for you considering your stats.. If you want to throw in an oral, then something like Tbol would be a much better choice IMO,, run it weeks 8-14

 

[Jhathinue]

Hey you're a good listener, and interested in the "safe" practices.. we need more people like you around.

I would run your Nolvadex - 40/40/20/20
And if it makes you feel more "recovered" you can do 5 weeks of Clomid if you'd want.. just stay away from the cycle support crap on Amazon, or ProHormone websites..

I've heard Winny is very liver toxic.. May have mis-interpreted, but if that is true (look into it), I would definitely run all the liver support supplements Hiram1st has told you he runs! That guy is very good for info.

Also, what is your main goal for this cycle? And why Winny as your 2nd compound?

Winstrol doesn't do our body much benefit, it's negatives are not worth it in my opinion, not for the every day steroid user at least..are you contest prepping or anything? I would maybe consider a different 2nd substance, that's just me though. Most will do a second cycle with something like; Test Only 750mg/Wk, Test/Deca, Test/EQ, Test/Dbol.. look into these and see if any fit your goals. These might get you where you want to go a little quicker provided your diet and training is great alongside it.

Ask around a bit about Winstrol and come up with a comprehensive view on the drug for yourself.

Hope I've helped a little

Welcome to Ology by the way!

Hey Hypnotix !

Thanks I always have been a great listener and I can't believe the wealth of "FREE" information on this site.
It is amazing to see so many individuals, as yourself, just wanting to help others succeed in their life. I work in the Government and its a damn cut-throat situation, everyday! Very stressful!


Will update the Nolvadex to your suggestion and 5 weeks of Clomid, got it...


I already bought that Cycle and PCT support on Amazon :-( I'll just trash it when it gets here. Or how crappy is it ? Will it hurt my gains or just in general ?

Listening to you, Hiram1 and now Roush ---- Winny is out and I'll pick up Roush's suggestion of TBOL or I can go with your suggestion with DECA ??

Oldmusclemike (above) mentioned that about Arimidrex and Liquidex being the same thing. I thought he meant being an A.I, but now I understand what you just wrote.
Didn't know that, so thanks again!


**** My main goal is to increase strength, build mass (192lbs to 205lbs) Cut down to 200pds and maintain this size and look through diet and gym maintenance for around 4-5 months, before I start my 3rd cycle.
I chose Winny as my 2nd compound from a friend who cycles alot, but that is the main reason. I read alot about it and I saw some information about its toxicity.
So, the 2nd compound is just for hardness and cutting down, but it came recommend from a friend. I'll look towards DECA or TBOL. I'll do some reading.

I don't compete and I am not prepping for a contest. I'm just an "office guy" who would like to increase his strength and put some mass on.

Thanks for the welcome and hope to hear from you all soon.

 

[Jhathinue]

I'd drop the winny. ,, I see no benefit to it for you considering your stats.. If you want to throw in an oral, then something like Tbol would be a much better choice IMO,, run it weeks 8-14

Got it. Its dropped.
Between DECA or TBOL ? I'm doing some reading now, but hoping for some input from you all

 

[Jhathinue]

Adjusted cycle

Adjusted cycle run base on you all suggestions:


Goals: My main goal is to increase strength, build mass (192lbs to 205lbs)
Cut down to around 200pds and maintain this size and look through diet and gym maintenance for around 4-5 months, before I start my 3rd cycle.
No contest prepping, just a "normal" guy who wants to get the most out of his gym work-outs and diet.


Adjusted cycle (April 8, 2015)

1-14 Test. Enathante (300mg every 3.5 days)
1-14 HCG (250 iu every 3.5 days)
1-16 Liquidex (0.25mg EOD)


8-14 TBOL, DECA or EQ (Still reading on these, any input on which and dosage to meet my goals?)


PCT: 16-19

Clomid 75/50/50/50/50 (5 weeks)
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20


N-Acetyl cysteine (2000mg ED)

Liv.52
Found it here:
amazon.com/Himalaya-Herbal-Healthcare-LiverCare-Support/dp/B000H87TIG/ref=lh_ni_t?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A16B2RF5IJZNTS


I would like to personally Thank all of you who have answered and helped my upcoming cycle to be the best it can.
Hope to hear from you all soon.