Winny deepened my voice

[Madine21]

Alright girls, I need some input.
I'm going to be starting up my next summer cycle and I'm not sure if I should shorten it. My cycle for last year's competitions(figure) consisted of Winny: 50mg/per week, Clen: 80mcg/per day: 2on 2off. I was originally only going to do a 12week plan, but it extended to more like 19-20weeks due to taking on another competition.
My problem is this: I noticed quite a change in my voice! I immediately came off the Winstrol (winny), and my voice returned to normal after a few weeks.
I like the look I got with that cycle, but I don't want to run into the same problem. If I shortened the cycle, would I avoid this problem and still get the results?


Second Question:
Diet was kept very clean, training was focused on slightly heavier weight, moderate/high cardio.
This was very effective, came in nicely for the shows, but could've dropped more BF.
I kept my carbs at 100/per day, 1500calories, 195g protein/per day, and that kept me going thru the day.
This was spread out thru three meals, one whey shake, and one MRP. Once I started the depletion prior to showtime, I definitely felt it in fatigue. Any ideas on a general tweaking of this w/o having to drag myself thru training sessions? Weight sessions are a 4day split, cardio sessions are 5-6days; 30-40minutes.
Oh yeah, stats:
5'7"
offseason: 155lbs
comp. weight(ideallly): 135lbs
BF currently in 20's, not quite sure.

 

[supergirl]

Hey Madine.. WELCOME ABOARD!!!

first of all.. congrats for stepping on stage!!

now.. as per your questions..
will Winstrol (winny) lower your voice again.. probably to absolutely.. however, YES you can cut it short and still see those great results.. My suggestion is to listen to your body.. if you feel your voice starting to crack and get raspy, then you have 2 options.. either lower your dosage and see if your voice recovers or quit.. Honestly, you are lucky your voice returned to normal.. sometimes voices stay deep.. so please use precaution!!

Now.. as per your 2nd Q:
i am not sure what you want answered.. do you need help with depletion for your show or do you need help with energy for your training?? please clarify so i can assist you better

glad to have you here!!!
luv super

 

[Madine21]

Thanks Super!
I am also looking into possible trying to incorporate Deca possibly, to help me get the harder look. I still am researching this. I am definitely shell-shocked from the Winstrol (winny). I'll keep you posted.
Secondly, I was wondering how I can tweak the diet for the weeks leading up to the show. I can handle the depletions the week prior to showtime, only because I'm not training, just resting. I want to come in this year harder, tighter & smaller. I was wondering if I could just do this with the diet alone w/o my energy levels taking a dive. I'm a very muscular girl, and it tells me immediately if it isn't getting enough! If I could manipulate the diet to get the same results, w/o the chemicals, and still get the look, I'll try!
Thanks for all your help!!

 

[Technobarbie]

You might post up a sample of your daily meals so we can take a look at it. You might be able to boost your energy level through tweaking your carb intake.

Are you taking any kind of ECA stack??? Honestly, while prepping for show I can't hardly get by without some kind of pick me up because I keep my carbs really low.

Also, we might be able to work in some kind of carb refeed day which would help with the energy thing and help you drop some xtra body fat.

 

[Faye]

3 meals a day doens't sound like enough to me. I concurr, post up that diet.

Also, when you say 50 mg a week of Winstrol (winny) are we talking injectables or orals?? If it's inject what kind?? How many shots?

 

[Madine21]

I will take an ECA on the days I'm off Clen. (I take in the Clen 80mcg/day - 2on 2off) I've had a little trouble with the ECA lately, it makes me really spacey & bad shakes! The clen isn't much better, but not as bad on the spaciness.
Typical day:
Meal 1:
1/2 cup oatmeal
1 tsp honey
5 eggs(4white/1yk)
Meal 2:
Whey Protein
Meal 3:
Chix breast or 1 large can tuna/chix
Sweet potato or rice cakes
1/2 cup broccoli or small salad(lemon juice or italian dressng)
Meal 4:
Whey protein (a Prolab MRP if I'm feeling too run down, or a rice cake with 2tsp natural PB)
Meal 5:
chix breast or large can of tuna/chix
1/2 cup broccoli

Faye: I take injectable V. I began taking one shot a week, but found I saw better results splitting it into two seperate shots thru the week.
Thanks Guys!

 

[supergirl]

Thanks Super!
I am also looking into possible trying to incorporate Deca possibly, to help me get the harder look. I still am researching this. I am definitely shell-shocked from the Winstrol (winny). I'll keep you posted.
Secondly, I was wondering how I can tweak the diet for the weeks leading up to the show. I can handle the depletions the week prior to showtime, only because I'm not training, just resting. I want to come in this year harder, tighter & smaller. I was wondering if I could just do this with the diet alone w/o my energy levels taking a dive. I'm a very muscular girl, and it tells me immediately if it isn't getting enough! If I could manipulate the diet to get the same results, w/o the chemicals, and still get the look, I'll try!
Thanks for all your help!!

honey.. if you are worried about your voice, then you better worry about deca.. deca can cause virilization too/more...

 

[Madine21]

Yep, I agree, that's what I seem to be uncovering. I always research these first.
I've had good luck with Cynomel, only stacking it with Clen, and thought about that also. I'm just trying to see if I have options. I tested that out in the offseason, but I'm afraid the lethargy will not help me in training for the show! I also consistently had a hard time getting a solid night's sleep with Cyn, too.

 

[Serenity Head]

Yeah it wsa impossible for me to sleep off it. I woke up with puddles of sweat on my sheet. It made for a long 12 weeks

 

[Serenity Head]

Have any of you ladies tried masteron. A few of the comp women I know used it at 50mg every 2-4 days with anavar and had great results before comp

 

[Madine21]

I'm right there with you, SH!! I would wake up sweating like I was running a 5k!! And that was on a night where I would actually be asleep long enough!

Masteron? Can't say that I've heard of that one before. What type of comps were these girls aiming for? Figure, fitness, BB....?
Enlighten me...
I've narrowed my preferences for the next 12week stint to either Nolvadex & Clen or Anavar & clen.

Mods: have you guys any input on Masteron?

 

[Technobarbie]

IMO women should stay away from masteron.

 

[Serenity Head]

IMO women should stay away from masteron.

Thats interesting, you dont think it would be safer than a nandrolone product?

 

[supergirl]

Thats interesting, you dont think it would be safer than a nandrolone product?

it is like comparing apples and oranges IMO...

mast is a seriously harsh androgen.. granted i have heard of some "experimental" women NOT overly concerned with virilization using it really well for pre-contest... But you have to realize that Mast is Drostanolone propionate; a prop ester... so if a woman does not react well with "test" mast will not work for her either.. But the one good thing is that it is out quick enough if sides come on..

I personally feel proviron would be a safer more controllable choice for a woman rather than mast...

I personally would NOT try mast.. plus it is so damn scarce these days anyway...

nand as we all know is a weaker androgen than test which is why many women can use it with great results... therefore weaker and a bit safer than mast... I am not saying deca is safe without sides because virilization is still possible, but it is more anabolic and milder then mast...

does that answer your question SH??


--->madine... personally the nolv is not for you IMO.. don't take this the wrong way, but you are not lean enough.. nolv works really well with female bbers that are already down to like 8% and looking to drop a bit more... for figure, you would be better suited with the var and some clen/T3 or the like... Just my $.02

 

[Technobarbie]

Good stuff SG!

 

[roccodart440]

WHat role would prolactin buildup play in women using a nor-19 like decca?

 

[supergirl]

WHat role would prolactin buildup play in women using a nor-19 like decca?

What do you mean what role would prolactin buildup play?? what prolactin buildup??

ok.. firstly... as we all know, Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) exhibit very different effects on men and women..
so knowing that nand is a progestin and will cause havoc with men if taken without test or the like.. it plays a different role with women..

Deca in women will raise test levels. It has both anabolic and androgenic effects in women... Not to mention that durabolin is even better handled by women... Elevated test levels are the desired effect of an Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) and the benefit of using an aas...

Normally with women, when test is administered, there is both prog and est suppression... Now given the fact that deca is a progestin, progesterone levels in women will not be decreased as much as estrogen levels and progesterone will still play its part in the woman's body such as irritability, abdominal fat storages, possible acne etc... but the effects of progesterone in the women's body is decreased by deca rather than increased as with men... So i would not consider progesterone a problematic side effect of deca as it is in men. The testosterone effect is the strongest as it is the hormone that is increased most by deca usage in women...

so, imo prolactin should not be a problem for women... unless they have extremely high progesterone levels to begin with... and that would need a doctors immediate attention... therefore deca is probably not the best choice for women with elevated prog levels.

On a side note.. studies have shown that B6 helps to lower progesterone levels as well as Bromocriptine.. IMO i would use the B6 as my first choice..

Does that answer your question Rocco??

luv supes

 

[Scorpios_Super_lady]

instead of Winni - try EQ - 70 mg per week...! along with Clen (cycle on 2 weeks and cycle off 2 weeks using efedrin instead) and anavar - 15mg per day...no more then 20. NO CHANGING IN VOICE!!!

 

[Thoms]

Winny deepened my voice

I remember talking to my first boxing coach about diet and supplements. The first thing ever I heard of steroids was from him. He was talking about stromba (winstrol), how a lot of his guys were taking it, and that it worked; but that you got a heavy voice from using it. At the time I was just a kid and had zero knowledge about steroids. I didn't even realize stromba was a steroid, and frankly neither did he. By now, 12 years later, it's one of the few steroids I never tried. Being a man, I really don't care if it lowers my voice. Good to hear your voice returned to normal afterwards - I can imagine it's not as pleasant for a woman.

 

[NYCEE]

Interesting i just posted a thread like this for my girlfriend but the compound was primo http://steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105622

Her sides subsided as well... Scared the shit outta me hearing her voice crack..

I wish i could help, but i dont have much in depth knowledge in the female Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) world...

How's RJ Madine? i havent been on the boards much lately.. I should cruise through the chem forum and see whats up...