Worried Girlfriend...Please Help!

[worriedgirlfriend]

Hi Everyone,

Sorry to drop in on your forum like this, but I'm very worried about my man. He is 41, in great health, but is going through a major testosterone crash at the moment. He was supposed to do short cycles of Sustane 300, but has been taking it for more than a year and I don't think he was giving himself the breaks that he was supposed to. He became very addicted to the gains.

We were good friends long before we started dating. When I first found out about him taking it, I was very worried, but he assured me that it was safe and he wouldn't be doing it long term. Here we are. He stopped taking it a month or so ago and has undergone an extreme testosterone crash. He is getting the back acne, very tired all of the time, working a ton so that adds to the stress, has been feeling sick a lot, ZERO sex drive <----so unlike him, etc.

I started to worry more after researching what he has been taking. He told me he was going to ask his doctor to take HGH instead so he didn't have to go through this, but he wasn't even educated about stuff to help with the crashes or anything until I told him. I started noticing he has become addicted to it when I'm out on a date with him and I grab his biceps while I'm walking beside him and he says things like, "What? I'm losing muscle mass, you notice it, don't you?" when I wasn't even thinking that and wondering how he even came up with that idea. I think it is taking a bad effect on is psyche. I should probably mention that he does have a history of drug abuse which he has been in recovery for now for 9 years.

Anyway, to get to the point and trying to de-womanize this message as much as possible, I told him that if he didn't throw all of that crap away that I was going to. Last week, before I said that, I noticed there was a full bottle of it still left in the drawer in the bathroom along with all of the injection tools. After I told him I was going to throw it away, today when I went to go look, the bottle was missing. I called him on the phone to find out that he took it and put it in his work bag. I feel like this was done behind my back. I feel betrayed by this....Please correct me if I shouldn't feel betrayed, but I do. However, I'm open to suggestions if you think I'm overreacting.

I don't mind helping him through this if he plans to change and become more healthy about the way he works out, but I do mind it when he does things behind my back and continues to do things that affects his health in a bad way which in turn affects our relationship. (no energy to do anything, zero sex drive) <---I miss him!!!

Here are my questions for you:

1. What should I do about the him doing that behind my back? (he has never lied to me before and we are a very communicative, mature couple)

2. How can we boost his testosterone naturally? re: what natural supplements can he take? should he go back to the gym during this crash?

3. How long will it take for his body to recover roughly?

4. What can I do to help ease the process for him? I know he must feel awful about the whole thing because he says he does and apologizes heavily for his zero sex drive.

I could have more questions if I were more educated on this topic, but I've never heard of this kind of thing past all of the myths that float through society about steroids. We do want to have children some day so the possibility of him becoming infertile upsets me. I know steroids can be taken safely if a man/woman is educated about them, etc so please don't mistake my post as a means to discredit what you are doing here.

Thank you for reading. Your help is much appreciated. I'm so worried about him.

Love N Light,
Worried Girlfriend~

 

[Teutonic]

Welcome WM !

He s in a hard crash..and at 41 he may never recover his level s naturally. And GH is not gonna replace test, it s just gonna displace more cash.

He did not go behind your back he reacted to a threat, there by removing your ability to follow through. They are his...bear with me ma am. If he said THAT type of mascara causes damage to your skin and I may throw it away and you snagged it...OK that was lame but..you see. ?

Using a well planned post cycle therapy (pct) may restore his natural test..but if he s so low..his hormones are probably tanked and unless he s pinning, a good time for blood work and trt.
If he is still pinning, w-o doing it right..it may be his test and his estro are so high he s very fucked hormonally.

Sex drive shot, emotionally roller coaster..I highly recommend you go to the Hormone Replacement Therapy section and talk to Chip in depth and talk to your fella.

BDD body dismorfic disorder...most of us have it here...to varying degrees...

DID that help?

 

[worriedgirlfriend]

Yes, it did help and I see what you mean. However, I know myself and I am the type of lady that would allow him to throw away the mascara. I'm PRO healthy stuff lol I know I overreacted. I'm just so scared something bad will happen to him. He is my soul mate.

How do I go talk to Chip?

I would like to get a post cycle therapy (pct) plan for him immediately. His doctor is going to order blood work for him, but that could take a couple of weeks or more before he can get back to the doctor because he works so much. I am ready, check card on hand to overnight a post cycle therapy (pct) regime to him.

I should let him do it on his own, but he is SO busy with work. I know him. He will take forever lolol

 

[Teutonic]

Chip is at MaximusHRT.com see the banner to the right...

Slow down lady. He ll have much better result s when he has his blood results in hand as if he s still pinning he ll have to wait for 2 weeks..if that s all he s doing. The results can be faxed to him and it s 100 percent legit...

post cycle therapy (pct) questions can be best answered by someone other than myself...as I take test always cuz I did what he did...1 cc a week..forever..I m reaping what I sowed.
But I m OK physically. Sex life is great..if you go by the numbers...work ethic good.

Again Chip is the man..

I know you want to fix this now..but your looking at weeks if not a couple months to straighten this out but a soul mate is worth it right...wish I had one.

Dial 248 345 8412..leave a message..go to the web site print out the forms...get the labs done and ready to fax...best I can do for you right now lady...let the bottle of test slide for now...

 

[Misc]

If he was on for that long and at his age i wouldn't be surprised if he never fully recovers. id jump on that testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) if i were him. You can always try to post cycle therapy (pct) and see where he is at after hes done but if it comes back low he should get on trt.


looks like your a good GF and a smart one at that. glad you didnt over react and did some research before getting on his case even more.

 

[worriedgirlfriend]

What about body dysmorphia? Should he seek treatment for it?

He is obsessed with going to the gym. When he doesn't go, he stresses about it and feels guilty. He stresses if he doesn't get enough protein in his diet, constantly looks in he mirror, resorts to steroids because of it. I really think there is a problem here.

 

[worriedgirlfriend]

What post cycle therapy (pct) plan should he do? I can order anything for him right now. I just don't know what to get, where to get it, or how much of it to get. A step by step plan would be much appreciated. thanks.

 

[Misc]

What about body dysmorphia? Should he seek treatment for it?

He is obsessed with going to the gym. When he doesn't go, he stresses about it and feels guilty. He stresses if he doesn't get enough protein in his diet, constantly looks in he mirror, resorts to steroids because of it. I really think there is a problem here.

LOL sorry but most of us here are like that as well. most ppl are like that they just hide it better. or they are fat slobs that gave up.

What post cycle therapy (pct) plan should he do? I can order anything for him right now. I just don't know what to get, where to get it, or how much of it to get. A step by step plan would be much appreciated. thanks.

This is what i would recommend.

HCG 1000mcg for 5 days everyday
wait 4 days and start
Clomid at 50mg everyday 4-5weeks
Nolva 20mg everyday 4-5 weeks
aromasin 12.5mg everyday for 4-5 weeks.

you can get this stuff from the sites sponsors like RUI and purchase peptides.

 

[worriedgirlfriend]

Thank you for the post cycle therapy (pct) plan. I'll get started on purchasing right away.


Well, I understand people can have BDD to a certain extent, but since he is a recovering addict, it concerns me more, especially since the use of anabolic steroids comes packed with needles.

 

[MeatHead96]

I'm a recovering addict/alcoholic with four years clean. I definitely have the same body thing and I do take steroids to take me to that next level. My life now is way more positive than it ever was bodybuilding and strength training has become my passion. Its my outlet and it gives me something to be excited about in the morning when I wake up instead of wanting to die like I used to. Be glad that hes not using anymore and be supportive. Like others said he probably will need testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and needs to be educated a little more on AAS. I have low T as well and will be on for life but my quality of life is a million times better than what it was.

 

[worriedgirlfriend]

I'm okay with accepting that and supporting him. I won't support him on harming himself though and the continuance to do so. I am happy he is not using heroin anymore. The percentage of those that recover is less than 1%. He is a miracle!

Don't you think it's a good idea to find out what is causing the poor self image and address it though? That could be the cause of him using steroids wrecklessly. He has a very high IQ so I don't see why he wouldn't have educated himself on this stuff first. That's not his nature so that's why I believe it is stemming from poor self image which concerns me. I know everyone has issues, but I can't see not addressing them. I'm sure the benefits from that far outweigh any exercise regime with the use of steroids; in recovery or not...

 

[MeatHead96]

I'm okay with accepting that and supporting him. I won't support him on harming himself though and the continuance to do so. I am happy he is not using heroin anymore. The percentage of those that recover is less than 1%. He is a miracle!

Don't you think it's a good idea to find out what is causing the poor self image and address it though? That could be the cause of him using steroids wrecklessly. He has a very high IQ so I don't see why he wouldn't have educated himself on this stuff first. That's not his nature so that's why I believe it is stemming from poor self image which concerns me. I know everyone has issues, but I can't see not addressing them. I'm sure the benefits from that far outweigh any exercise regime with the use of steroids; in recovery or not...

I agree it should be look at if its affecting his life that much. It has not affected mine to the extent that its debilitating and I see it as motivation for me to keep striving to be better. Obviously your man has not educated himself on steroids if he has completely dropped them with no PCT and used them for a year without understanding that he may not recover. Using steroids recklessly is never a good thing. I researched extensively and continue to daily before I started on this journey. I know the risks that I'm taking. Like others said, he probably will need testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) so you should talk to chip.

 

[worriedgirlfriend]

Hey there, my dude is into a sound post cycle therapy (pct). He didn't know this would happen this bad and is upset about the whole thing. We are going to work together to get him feeling better. In the future, he promised to not be this wreckless about it.

RUI doesn't have any nolva in stock, only clomi. Found both in stock on purchase peptides. Does he only need one bottle of each for that plan? I still don't know where to get the HCG..

Also, should we get some supplements like the ones mentioned here to maximize his PCT benefits? nutragenics.net/bestbody%20supps%20info/postcyclesupps.htm

 

[Misc]

cant get HCG from those sites i mentioned. you need to get it from a juice vendor.

I wouldn't waste my time with those supplements that they mentioned on that site. clomid and nolva combined is enough to get the job done. i had higher test levels after i PCT than before i touched steroids so that should give you an idea of how well they work. Also get the aromasin (exemestane) it will help lower e2 (estradiol) and raise his test.

also make sure he gets blood work done. most of us here get blood work done regularly. usually before and after a cycle to see where we are at.

 

[Mrs P]

I'm okay with accepting that and supporting him. I won't support him on harming himself though and the continuance to do so. I am happy he is not using heroin anymore. The percentage of those that recover is less than 1%. He is a miracle!

Don't you think it's a good idea to find out what is causing the poor self image and address it though? That could be the cause of him using steroids wrecklessly. He has a very high IQ so I don't see why he wouldn't have educated himself on this stuff first. That's not his nature so that's why I believe it is stemming from poor self image which concerns me. I know everyone has issues, but I can't see not addressing them. I'm sure the benefits from that far outweigh any exercise regime with the use of steroids; in recovery or not...

Hi worriedgirlfriend,

It's normal you are concerned about him,
it's really not uncommon for men that are into bodybuilding to be very critical of their self image, but being dedicated is not the same as being obsessed with your image.

His self-esteem was probably affected after his cycle ended, His body not looking as good as it did while on cycle,etc

If he has low self-esteem it will affect how he acts and every other aspect of his life.
And ofcourse the fact that he didn't do PCT.


To say it could be Body dysmorphic disorder, is really something only a therapist can help him find out, I think this disorder is characterized more by excessive preoccupation with imagined defects in physical appearance.
But if u think his behavior is due to emotional, or some other cause, then u should talk to him about going to a therapist.

You did good in contacting Chip, he's great at what he does, and has helped many on this board.

Good luck, I hope he feels better soon

 

[Cobra Strike]

Chip is great but I would have just went to the doc first...insurance will cover it that way if you dont tell them what happened and just say he has no sex drive and is depressed....then they will run tests and can put him on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) as well...just my 02

also I laid out a good post cycle therapy (pct) plan for you from dr scally in your last thread...I would try that first before getting on trt

and calm down a little lol he is going to be fine!

 

[5x10]

also I laid out a good post cycle therapy (pct) plan for you from dr scally in your last thread...I would try that first before getting on trt

and calm down a little lol he is going to be fine!

this!!! he's going to need some time to recover and def scallys protocol

i have a buddy who was on for about 1.5 yrs, he did scallys protocol, waited 30 days and is a 150 test level
so instead of doing another round of the post cycle therapy (pct)(which scally does), he hopped back on test prescribed from a doc

so hes on for 18 months, gives himself 1 month to recover, and gives up

 

[Cobra Strike]

this!!! he's going to need some time to recover and def scallys protocol

i have a buddy who was on for about 1.5 yrs, he did scallys protocol, waited 30 days and is a 150 test level
so instead of doing another round of the pct(which scally does), he hopped back on test prescribed from a doc

so hes on for 18 months, gives himself 1 month to recover, and gives up

hahaha dam he waited for a whole month?