Your basic white girl cycle...Test E 12 wks

[Dan_The_Man84118]

Hello everyone,



This is my first post here after scouring the forums for the last 6 months. A little background story about myself. I***8217;m 23 and I***8217;ve been weightlifting since the age of 15. During my teenage years I used to sneak into fitness facilities pretending to be 17 years old just so that I can better myself physically and mentally LOL. I***8217;ve learned so much from personal trainers and powerlifters and since then it***8217;s been a big part of my life and a passion that I***8217;ll take to the grave.

With that being said, I***8217;m now coming up into the 9th week of my Test E cycle and I***8217;ve been questioning myself on whether or not I have a solid PCT. Just so all of you know, I***8217;ve been guided through this process by a friend of mine who***8217;s been on gear longer than I***8217;ve known him but I feel like some of the information he***8217;s providing me isn***8217;t accurate enough. I***8217;m seeking some good advice from all of you I***8217;m looking forward to what ya***8217;ll have to say,



Here***8217;s my stats

Age: 23

Gender: Male

Height: 5***8217;6***8221;

Current Weight: 184.5 from 168 lbs.

TRT patient: No

Calories: 3200-3600 ish

Weightlifting: 6 days per week/1 rest day and sometime 5 days per wk/2 rest days

Goals: Working towards competing in male physique category



Cycle:

Test Enanthate @ 600mg per wk: Sun/Wed, Weeks 1-12

Exemestane @ 12.5mg ED, Weeks 1-14

HCG @ 1000 IU***8217;s per wk: Mon/Thur Weeks 8-14 (Here***8217;s where I messed up. Should***8217;ve been 10-14. I realized that my friend told me the wrong week to start HCG***8230;.Hopefully this is okay)



PCT: I***8217;ll come off Exemestane and HCG and here***8217;s what my friend suggested

Nolva:

wk 15: 120mg ED

wk 16: 100 mg ED

wk 17/18: 60mg ED



Is it necessary to start Clomid along with Nolva? I keep hearing mixed answers.



Thank for reading!

 

[Megatron28]

Are you male or female?

 

[Dan_The_Man84118]

Are you male or female?

Male. Sorry I’ll change that.

 

[scorob777]

A couple things to fix up here.

First off you should have taken the HCG from week #1. Then in your last 10 days in the gap between last shot and start of PCT you take 1,000 IU per day. Not absolutely necessary, but doing this will keep your nuts in good working order and make recovery much easier.

The gap between last shot and start of PCT is too short. You only have weeks 13 and 14 off, two weeks with 600 mg/wk of a compound with 10 day half life is not enough. Ideally you'd want to wait about 3-1/2 weeks, which would let your test blood levels bleed down to close to your natural level - then you start PCT.

PCT is too short - only 3 weeks is not enough - especially with a high dose and long ester as your starting point, and particularly if you only wait 2 weeks. I'd wait another week to week and a half to start PCT, and lengthen PCT to four or five weeks.

No clomid and jackup up nolva dosage - use both it will greatly improve your chances of success. Clomid 100/50/50/50, novla 40/40/40/20/20

View attachment 567037

Above is a graph of your blood levels for 600 mg/wk 10 day half life, to show you why waiting 1-1/2 more weeks is a good idea. 14 ish is roughly your natural production level, so no harm waiting that long to start - and better chance of success.

 

[Mycelium]

I think you might want to wait a little longer to start PCT. You want your test levels to bleed back down to normal range before starting PCT. 3 weeks is pretty close. I don't know-how ing 600mg wk would take specifically.

You can use hCG the entire cycle. Keep your balls going and it'll add some test from stimulating leydig cells. They are ready for the LH and FSH from PCT and restarting your natural HPTA function.

Nolva and Clomid PCT are rarely mentioned in problem threads unless they were started to early/ wrong dose/ ran with something else. They have slightly different actions in the body.

 

[Mycelium]

Tankman in with the graph and info while I was typing!!!!

 

[Dan_The_Man84118]

A couple things to fix up here.

First off you should have taken the HCG from week #1. Then in your last 10 days in the gap between last shot and start of PCT you take 1,000 IU per day. Not absolutely necessary, but doing this will keep your nuts in good working order and make recovery much easier.

The gap between last shot and start of PCT is too short. You only have weeks 13 and 14 off, two weeks with 600 mg/wk of a compound with 10 day half life is not enough. Ideally you'd want to wait about 3-1/2 weeks, which would let your test blood levels bleed down to close to your natural level - then you start PCT.

PCT is too short - only 3 weeks is not enough - especially with a high dose and long ester as your starting point, and particularly if you only wait 2 weeks. I'd wait another week to week and a half to start PCT, and lengthen PCT to four or five weeks.

No clomid and jackup up nolva dosage - use both it will greatly improve your chances of success. Clomid 100/50/50/50, novla 40/40/40/20/20

View attachment 567037

Above is a graph of your blood levels for 600 mg/wk 10 day half life, to show you why waiting 1-1/2 more weeks is a good idea. 14 ish is roughly your natural production level, so no harm waiting that long to start - and better chance of success.

Thanks for the valuable information. I appreciate the time you guys took to review the information I provided.

Starting with HCG. I***8217;ve been taking it since week 8 and I***8217;m on week 9 right now taking it at 1000 IU***8217;s a week. Should I continue to take it at that dose or lower it?

The graph you provided definitely makes a lot of sense especially with the dose that I***8217;m taking it at.

I don***8217;t have Clomid on hand but I***8217;m about to order some since it will greatly improve my transition period.

Let me revise this plan now:

AAS: Test E @ 600mg per wk, wks 1-12

HCG: wks 8-15 ½

Aromasin: wks 1-15 ½



Off Cycle PCT:

Nolva: 40/40/40/20/20 dosing ED until finished

Clomid: 100/50/50/50 dosing ED until finished

 

[Dan_The_Man84118]

I think you might want to wait a little longer to start PCT. You want your test levels to bleed back down to normal range before starting PCT. 3 weeks is pretty close. I don't know-how ing 600mg wk would take specifically.

You can use hCG the entire cycle. Keep your balls going and it'll add some test from stimulating leydig cells. They are ready for the LH and FSH from PCT and restarting your natural HPTA function.

Nolva and Clomid PCT are rarely mentioned in problem threads unless they were started to early/ wrong dose/ ran with something else. They have slightly different actions in the body.

Great info here! TankMan came in clutch with the graph!

I***8217;d also like to mention that I***8217;ve had no sides besides a little water retention and back pumps while running 2 miles a week.

Im always hearing about people taking only Nolva but I now know why it***8217;s important to also include Clomid.

 

[casanovaaa]

Welcome bro! Yes hcg should of been taken from day 1 like tankman said above, and for pct yes Clomid 100/50/50/50, novla 40/40/40/20/20 sounds about right as well.

 

[Dan_The_Man84118]

Welcome bro! Yes hcg should of been taken from day 1 like tankman said above, and for pct yes Clomid 100/50/50/50, novla 40/40/40/20/20 sounds about right as well.

I definitely should have taken it since week one. Should I continue taking it at 1000 IU's a week until week 15 1/2?

 

[Dan_The_Man84118]

Anyone know if I should stay at 1000 iu***8217;s of hcg until my pct?

 

[scorob777]

It is a common approach to take HCG twice per week while cycling and in the early part of the gap between last shot and PCT - then in the last 10 days of the gap you take 1,000 IU per day.

 

[casanovaaa]

It is a common approach to take HCG twice per week while cycling and in the early part of the gap between last shot and PCT - then in the last 10 days of the gap you take 1,000 IU per day.

listen to tankman and plesse keep us posted on your progress!

 

[Dan_The_Man84118]

It is a common approach to take HCG twice per week while cycling and in the early part of the gap between last shot and PCT - then in the last 10 days of the gap you take 1,000 IU per day.

Sounds like a plan. I'm assuming that i should drop to 500 IU's a week from 1000?

Been taking 1000 IU's since week 8 and its week 10 now.

I will post progress pics soon!