Your first 3 cycles should be..........

[yearightbuddy]

IMHO your first cycle is more of a learning experience than anything. People think gyno comes overnight, well it doesn't happen overnight, so waiting to use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) until its too late is not how I would do it, thats all.

Besides E levels have been measured at up to 10x their normal level on a test only cycle, it is my opinion that there is just no need for that whatsoever, regardless if you don't show immediate negative effects. E is much worse for your body than just gyno, it wreaks havoc on your organs.

12.5mg is a very low dose of aromasin IMO as well.

In order to not complicate things, and get a feel for the compounds, this is why i dont recommend HCG during the cycle, but it would be nice to get familiar with what doses you respond to on your first cycle so that you can be ready for next cycle when you run deca.

could you get away with a test only cycle with no post cycle therapy (pct) and no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on your first cycle? prolly, but why not start getting it dialed in right away, and seeing what does what for you.

as for the aromasin in post cycle therapy (pct), IMO thats more important than the SERM, there is more evidence to back up that it increases T levels than SERM's.

and i already explained my dbol stance.

Uhmmm.......wat.

Understand this i did not.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Uhmmm.......wat.

Understand this i did not.

your man of few words to be so critical.

 

[barrysanders]

I have always agreed w/ DET on taking orals for first cycle. However, it really depends on how dedicated you really on to BB and AAS.

He hit it right when he said the first cycle is a "learning experience" thats exactly what it is in all aspects.

Good educational post though!

 

[Zero V]

He only suggested the kick start oral in the beginning. All of the other stuff was to keep your estrogen down and a post cycle therapy (pct). What other stuff do you have an issue with?

Yes, most on here say to use Test only as a first cycle. He acknowledged that in his opening but this is just his opinion. BUT, I am sure EVERY body on this site would agree that even a TEST only first cycle should require some form of Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and a PCT.

I think the thing most people forget is each individuals steroids "benefit" depending on its actions. Test may be the king, but a specialist is always used for special occasions.

 

[the Dragon]

I am more of a conservative on this that the Oak Tree. 2nd cycle is still a beginner and shouldn't mess with Deca yet.

1rst Cycle
1 - 12 500mg Test E
HCG optional throughout cycle if not then definitely in week 12-14
PCT:
Clomid, Nolva and Aromasin

2nd Cycle
1-4 30-50mg Dbol
1-12 500mg Test E or C (optional to blast 750mg first week)
Aromasin throught cycle if experinced bloat and acne in 1rst cycle
HCG through out cycle
PCT:
Clomid, Nolva and Aromasin

3rd Cycle
1-4 30-50mg Dbol (optional, better to just stick to two compounds at this time)
1-14 500mgTest E or C
1-12 400mg Deca
Aromasin throught cycle if experinced bloat and acne in 1rst cycle
HCG through out cycle
PCT:
Clomid and Aromasin

4th Cycle you can start fucking with Tren or another compound

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

keep em coming

 

[coltmc45]

OHHHH DET!!! I guarantee all the newbs are all gonna start running dbols and test for first cycles now because the det-oak said it was ok!!! I feel like every first cycle advice I've given on here was a waste of time now hahaha

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

hahaha yea I know, a couple people have said it should be for people who are serious in the gym and that are truly ready to cycle. these three cycles are only for people that are truly ready AND THAT HAVE FULLY DONE THEIR RESEARCH.

 

[yearightbuddy]

your man of few words to be so critical.

Ohhh haha i re read it and i got it, u where answering his question lol, i thought u randomly just started sayuing stuff...

Yea i agree with everything u said.

 

[yearightbuddy]

I am more of a conservative on this that the Oak Tree. 2nd cycle is still a beginner and shouldn't mess with Deca yet.

1rst Cycle
1 - 12 500mg Test E
HCG optional throughout cycle if not then definitely in week 12-14
PCT:
Clomid, Nolva and Aromasin

2nd Cycle
1-4 30-50mg Dbol
1-12 500mg Test E or C (optional to blast 750mg first week)
Aromasin throught cycle if experinced bloat and acne in 1rst cycle
HCG through out cycle
PCT:
Clomid, Nolva and Aromasin

3rd Cycle
1-4 30-50mg Dbol (optional, better to just stick to two compounds at this time)
1-14 500mgTest E or C
1-12 400mg Deca
Aromasin throught cycle if experinced bloat and acne in 1rst cycle
HCG through out cycle
PCT:
Clomid and Aromasin

4th Cycle you can start fucking with Tren or another compound

Agree with all this except Hcg should be used every cycle throughout the whole cycle. If ur gonna use it, use it right dont wait till the last weeks.

And an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) should be run every cycle too. People dont realize the harm that excess E and E2 create on ur body.


And also, im more of a "suck it up and use Test P" for first or second cycle. IMO first would be the best because of easier to control sides. Suk it up and pin EOD. Also i like shorter cycles so id say test p 8-10 weeks instead of 12 test e for first or second cycle.

But thats just me....

 

[BigBlackguy]

I agree, as long as you're using a long estered test

IMO dbol is fine for a first cycle, but you need to have time to see how the dbol effects you before the test kicks in

x2. It would suck to run into dbol+test stack the first you cycle and suddenly... TITS.

But a first cycle wouldn't be prop/suspension anyway lol

 

[5x10]

totally agree with oak!

 

[joei rock]

a lot of debate about when to throw in those extra compounds .. and only the-OAK was bold enough to put Tren in the mix for the #3 cycle..
but i see no mention of caber or prami .. lol.. i have heard many say taking the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) will lower your E levels which usually takes care of prolactin issues, but i dont know.

Tren had me walking with a 24hour boner, but i am using deca for the first time next cycle and i cant stop worrying about "deca dik".... so i ordered a shit ton of Caber just incase. (which i prob should have during tren and EQ cycles too, but didnt)

 

[Yes]

Oh ! The Oak stacking on first cycle !
I been saying to stack Dbol and test forever but I know you boys would give me shit...

Your second cycle sucks bro ... lol
Sustanon 250 - 200mg eod
60mg of Dbol ed for 4 weeks

Third cycle
test prop 125mg eod for 4 weeks
60mg of dbol for 5 weeks
450mg of deca for 12 weeks
600mg of test E - 300mg 2x week - 14 weeks

4Th cycle
test prop 125mg oed
NPP 125mg eod
Masteron E 500mg week
Anavar 60mg ed for the last 6 weeks

 

[supersafado]

ok so i like the idea of dbol and test in the first cycle which i am probably going to do. Now if someone wanted to keep that same cycle but add Equipoise? say 250mg week for benefit of collagen synthesis? I would probably extend the cycle to 14 or 15 weeks too. Thoughts and feeling?