1 Year a Slave, Jomamma007's HRT Exit

[jomamma007]

Been off pct for about 3 weeks, been feeling crappy ever since.
Got some blood work today, but doctor barely let me test anything because last time we tested my hormones 6 months ago on TRT they were fine so they don't need to test it again. Ashamed that these doctors are screwing up everyone's lives.

Might be because my estrogen is coming up as the SERMS are still in my system and I have ceased AI, will post updated labs Monday or Tuesday.

 

[Alpin]

No one knows.
Go private if u can for the labs.

 

[jomamma007]

Total test 697
Free test 30 L (35-90)
SHBG 80H (20-55)

2 weeks after last nolva dosage. Not quite sure where estroges at as they wouldn't let me test it but I did take an aI during so I doubt it's that high.

Anything I can do except wait another month to see if anything improves because I feel like death.

 

[Alpin]

What about Estradiol?
Get Vit D tested....
Vit. D is proven to lower SHBG.
Maybe some nettle, Boron e.t.c
You are on your way....

 

[jomamma007]

They wouldn't test my Estradiol. .. vitamin D is fine as I'm already supplementing. Do you think in a month or two my SHBG will stabilize? I know SHBG takes a while... hope my total T holds

 

[Alpin]

Thats unacceptable tell them. You just consumed a shit load of SERMS and they have no business to tell you what they will test for.
SHBG & Estradiol go hand and hand.
Are u bloated, experiencing any insomnia, anxiety now?

 

[Alpin]

Your Total T is decent. I hope it holds.
Get Bio Avail. T tested to be sure.
I'm sure it will be pretty low as well judging by your SHBG.

 

[Alpin]

JO:

is that "Free Test" measured in pmol/l ?

 

[jomamma007]

I think my Estradiol might be a little high, as I stopped ai a week and a half ago, and I know from previous bloodworks on SERMS that as my Test elevates my estrogen is always high. I have re-introduced an ai to see if that's the issue and hopefully will bring down SHBG. Will get new bloods in a month including estrogen to see where I'm at.

 

[Alpin]

Taking A.i. blind like that is not the best therapy I'd use.
But I understand your concern.
Maybe you should have wrote it in the req.??

 

[jomamma007]

Taking A.i. blind like that is not the best therapy I'd use.
But I understand your concern.
Maybe you should have wrote it in the req.??

My theorey is that SERMS raise estrogen as well in the body, probably to levels higher then one would be at naturally so an AI would help during PCT to get rid of extra estrogen.
SERMS have a very long half life an will be in your system for up to 2 months after last dose. Therefore an ai should be taken during pct and for a few weeks after as well, I'm thinking 4.

 

[Cosmoen]

How is your strength and workouts compared to pre TRT?

 

[jomamma007]

Before TRT i was really strong for some reason, could never get big though and had a hard time losing fat,
was probably around 5'11 175 13% bodyfat.

During TRT i never fully got dialed in so strength was good some days, and crap the next. When dialed in though, I was probably at my strongest, other then when I ran a few cycles before TRT. Libido and sense of well being greatly improved.

Post TRT now my strength is pretty good. Almost that of when I was on TRT, except the fact that I tend to gas early into my workouts. Libido and Confidence has taken quite a dive.

I took some arimidex last saturday night, and have been feeling some energy and sense of well being emerge yesterday and especially today. The SERMS are still causing high estrogen in my body and that is why my SHBG is so high. Therefore the ai is working and making me feel pretty dam good, anxiety here and there.

 

[Cosmoen]

I really think you should test e2 before changing ai dosage. Better yet, stick with one ai dosage for at least a week before testing. One thing I realized on my trt is that changing e2 and changing ai dosage messed with my emotions. I felt the worse when my e2 fell below 5. High e2 was bad but it was manageable and easier to fix than crashing e2. Just my opinion.

Looking forward to seeing your test, free test,e2, lh and FSh results as part of your restart.

Before TRT i was really strong for some reason, could never get big though and had a hard time losing fat,
was probably around 5'11 175 13% bodyfat.

During TRT i never fully got dialed in so strength was good some days, and crap the next. When dialed in though, I was probably at my strongest, other then when I ran a few cycles before TRT. Libido and sense of well being greatly improved.

Post TRT now my strength is pretty good. Almost that of when I was on TRT, except the fact that I tend to gas early into my workouts. Libido and Confidence has taken quite a dive.

I took some arimidex last saturday night, and have been feeling some energy and sense of well being emerge yesterday and especially today. The SERMS are still causing high estrogen in my body and that is why my SHBG is so high. Therefore the ai is working and making me feel pretty dam good, anxiety here and there.

 

[jomamma007]

Just wanted to update for anyone following.
Well I started taking my ai again, as I believed since the SERMS were still in my system my estrogen would still be elevated.

WOW, what a difference. It's night and day. I still don't feel 100% but I sure feel better. I plan to continue the ai for 4 weeks post last nolvadex dose, so about another 2 weeks. After that I'll probably get blood work 2 weeks after ceasing the ai, so in a month and get LH,FSH, and estradiol this time.

 

[Cosmoen]

Keep as posted!

Do you notice any difference in your semen now compared with during TRT?

Also, what pros and cons do you feel now compared with during TRT? Any regrets getting on the restart so far? I am contemplating a restart myself but want to make sure i am prepared for the consequences.

 

[jomamma007]

Keep as posted!

Do you notice any difference in your semen now compared with during TRT?
During PCT I had way more volume then on trt. Now it's came down since ceasing SERMS, but still more then on HRT.

Also, what pros and cons do you feel now compared with during TRT? Any regrets getting on the restart so far? I am contemplating a restart myself but want to make sure i am prepared for the consequences.

Pros-
Not having to deal with ups and downs of controlling estrogen. Obviously not having to pin, although that never bothered me. Not having my balls shrink up, even with HCG. I've gotten prettier with lower testosterone levels now lol...

Cons-
lack of energy, libido, erection quality, strength and muscle tone.

Overall I'd probably have stayed on HRT if I ever would have gotten dialed in, but I just never felt quite right. I'll be getting blood work in another month and based on results and how I feel, contemplate if I will go back on. A big reason I got off was because the nevada state athletic commission banned trt exemptions for fighters.

 

[Alpin]

Pros-
Not having to deal with ups and downs of controlling estrogen. Obviously not having to pin, although that never bothered me. Not having my balls shrink up, even with HCG. I've gotten prettier with lower testosterone levels now lol...

Cons-
lack of energy, libido, erection quality, strength and muscle tone.

Overall I'd probably have stayed on HRT if I ever would have gotten dialed in, but I just never felt quite right. I'll be getting blood work in another month and based on results and how I feel, contemplate if I will go back on. A big reason I got off was because the nevada state athletic commission banned trt exemptions for fighters.

Why did they ban TRT for firefighters ? Wtf ?
For cops too?
Thats bullshit man. Those are high stress jobs and eat hormones from job stress. So you are suppose to be heroic and save lives when you feel lethargic and putting yourself at risk?
That just speaks volumes as to the stigma of low T...

 

[Miklu]

Why did they ban TRT for firefighters ? Wtf ?
For cops too?
Thats bullshit man. Those are high stress jobs and eat hormones from job stress. So you are suppose to be heroic and save lives when you feel lethargic and putting yourself at risk?
That just speaks volumes as to the stigma of low T...

when he said fighters he meant MMA fighters, so if jomamma were on trt he wouldn't be able to fight/compete in MMA. at least not on professional level.

 

[Alpin]

Oops my bad.