12.5mcg T3 for 6 weeks

Ripped2Shreds

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I'm planning on taking 12.5mcg T3 for 6 weeks.

along with
500mg test a week
400mg eq
clen

Is there need for ramping at this dose? Is there anything else I should consider?
 
i don't think you could actually ramp up to 12.5. maybe from 6.25, people would say that's a waste of time.
 
25mcg is about HRT for most people, so running such a small amount may be worthless past 3-4 weeks, but I dont know how fast "suppression" occurs. TSH should go down since you dont need as much natural production with the replacement, so it would be rather like cycling 50mg of test weekly.
 
100mg/wk of Test isn't going to completely supress your natural test production, and 12.5mcg of T3 isn't going to completely suppress your natural T3 production. You're still going to end up in the positive range.

You can start with 6.25mcg/day of T3 if you've got a pill splitter. Ramping down is probably more important than ramping up though. I don't think 12.5mcg will cause that much suppresion, but it would probably be safer to run 6.25mcg/day for the last 2 weeks just for shits and giggles.

What's up with the clen? Is this a cutting or a bulking cycle?
 
Its not complete replacement so I dont figure it will completely suppress, I just question it being a good dose to use.
 
I am interested in this as well. I am thinking about running t3 and anavar cycle. I was thinking a quick 6 wker b4 my big cycle in a couple months.

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Mudge said:
Its not complete replacement so I dont figure it will completely suppress, I just question it being a good dose to use.

I and others have had good results with 6.25mcg/day or 12.5mcg/day for bulking. At that dosage it helps with protein metabolism and potentiates insulin's action.

I think it's because of the sad fact that most people are slightly hypothyroid...
 
So this is only good for bulking then, I wanted to get hard and skinny with this cycle?

DTOX-Can you give an example of the t3 cycle u have done

Thanks
 
http://www.medizingeschaedigte.net/uk_trijodthyronin.html

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Warning of thyroid hormone T3-Trijodthyronin/Liothyronin
- abridged version -

A detailed summary of the effects and serious damage to soft tissue and the brain, organs, blood and nerve paths and the skeleton is currently in preparation. T3 trijodthyronin can be described as a stimulant in terms of its effect. T3 trijodthyronin substitution causes a disturbance in protein binding which blocks cell formation and prevents tissue metabolism. It is a manipulation which stretch into the realm of genetics. The result is shrinkage and mummification that is not immediately seen as weight reduction or muscle disappearance. The body parts and organs affected become stiff and hard. These “bands of steel and stones" cut every thing around them inside the body and cause not only infection, but also very painful wounds which nothing can relieve.

History of the Thyroid Hormones:

1914: Kendall achieves the pure presentation and crystallization of the thyroid hormone thyroxin (T4).

1926: Harrington discovers the constitution of thyroxin (T4).

1927: Harrington and Barger synthesize thyroxin (T4).

1952: Discovery of trijodthyronin (T3) by Gross, Pitt-Rivers and Roche, Michel and Lissitzky.

1969: Measurement of trijodthyronin (T3) in serum by Sterling.

1970: The Journal of Clinical Investigation Vol.49; Braverman/Ingbar/Sterling publish the scientific report "Conversion (T4) to Triiodothyronine (T3) in Athyreotic Human Subjects" which proves that thyroxin in converted to trijodthyronin in peripheral tissue. Since this publication, all respectable endocrinologists around the world have recognized that thyroid hormone substitution must occur using T4-thyroxin.

1974: Chopra proves peripheral regulation during conversion of thyroxin (T4) into trijodthyronin (T3).


The facts are:

Since 1952 when T3 trijodthyronin was discovered, dubious researchers have continued to continue absolutely senseless experiments which have not brought any positive results even until today. Their research is excused by dismissive, untruthful claims by pharmaceutical companies, and in recent times new human guinea pigs have been sought in the form of pharma-controlled patient groups. No pharmaceutical company producing T3 trijodthyronin or the combination drug T4 with T3 was able to provide me with an positive results for the use of T3 trijodthyronin. Existing log reports about these experiments are well hidden and kept secret. According to my knowledge, these experiments were conducted in particular in the former CSSR (Czechoslovakia), at the Research Institute for Endocrinology in Prague. On 22 June 1997, I filed suit against the “scientist“ who was involved in the experiments there and I demanded that the Attorney General bring the related documentation under safekeeping. T3 trijodhyronin was officially approved in the Czech Republic only in 1992. The Czech Society of Physicians blocked my suit and Attorney General allowed the senseless experiments to continue, which caused serious harm and death.

There are dubious presentations on the internet which are directly or indirectly supported by the pharmaceutical industry. The most famous site in the USA is the URL of Mary Shomon. In Germany I asked pharma companies (Henning and Merck) and private individuals (e.g. former DMF and Dr. Achim Jaeckel, Schilddrüseliga.de, Rita Leydel, Harald Rimmele etc.), who present propaganda on the internet about T3 trijodthyronin, to provide me with scientific evidence that these kind of T3 substitutions are correct. Since no one had this kind of proof, I reported this to the authorities in Germany; this was also ignored. Apparently still more people need to die first, including victims in government and law circles.

After 30 years of single T3 trijodthyronin substitution, which was administered to me as a thyroid hormone replacement in the form of revenge for non-testable T4 values, and after I had to independently study information in endocrinology, biochemistry and bio-transformation, I am in a legitimate position to publish all facts about the serious results of this procedure. The “scientists” participating in this experiment attempt to hide all documentation which incriminates them, and they are silent about the torture which they inflicted and still will inflict.

The changes which occur after a hormone switch to T4 thyroxin (with an instant effect in some cases), are without discussion sufficient proof that T3 trijodthyronin substitution is the cause of all damage to tissue, organs (including the skull and brain), blood and nerve routes and on the skeletal system. These types of damage also occurred using combination drugs (T4+T3); the effects just took longer under some circumstances, especially given the overall condition of health. Only T4 thyroxin can guarantee the proper tissue metabolism. It is the conversion of T4 thyroxin within tissue which is essential to life. Without this process, the body will die from unbearable pains of torture. The levels of T4 thyroxin substitution must be determined slowly and carefully: too much T4 can also cause damage and block the conversion into T3.

Jana M. Vydra
jmv@gmx.net

http://magazine.mindandmuscle.net/main.php?issueID=11

"Like the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis, the thyroid gland is under negative feedback control. When T3 levels go up, TSH secretion is suppressed. This is the mechanism whereby exogenous thyroid hormone suppresses natural thyroid hormone production. There is a difference though between the way anabolic steroids suppress natural testosterone production and the way T3 suppresses the thyroid. With steroids, the longer and heavier the cycle is, the longer your natural testosterone is suppressed. This is not the case with exogenous thyroid hormone.

An early study that looked at thyroid function and recovery under the influence of exogenous thyroid hormone was undertaken by Greer (2). He looked at patients who were misdiagnosed as being hypothyroid and put on thyroid hormone replacement for as long as 30 years. When the medication was withdrawn, their thyroids quickly returned to normal.

Here is a remark about Greer's classic paper from a later author:


"In 1951, Greer reported the pattern of recovery of thyroid function after stopping suppressive treatment with thyroid hormone in euthyroid [normal] subjects based on sequential measurements of their thyroidal uptake of radioiodine. He observed that after withdrawal of exogenous thyroid therapy, thyroid function, in terms of radioiodine uptake, returned to normal in most subjects within two weeks. He further observed that thyroid function returned as rapidly in those subjects whose glands had been depressed by several years of thyroid medication as it did in those whose gland had been depressed for only a few days" (3)

These results have been subsequently verified in several studies.(3)(4) So contrary to what has been stated in the bodybuilding literature, there is no evidence that long term thyroid supplementation will somehow damage your thyroid gland. Nevertheless, most bodybuilders will choose to cycle their T3 (or T4 which in most cases works just as well) as part of a cutting strategy, since T3 is catabolic with respect to muscle just as it is with fat. As previously mentioned, long term T3 induced hyperthyroidism is also catabolic to bone as well as muscle.
 
If you are using t3 to cut bring your dosage upto 75-125 mcg. Thats were the magic happens. At your dosage you won't notice much at all.
 
It sounds like they are believing the old "protein metabolism" thing, i.e. it metabolises everything in its forkin path.
 
Everyone is different with the T3, some can't take more than 25mcg without losing beef, I seemed to hold my own just fine @ 60, on gear of course.
 
Mudge said:
Everyone is different with the T3, some can't take more than 25mcg without losing beef, I seemed to hold my own just fine @ 60, on gear of course.
A men to that. Make shure that you are on gear with the use of t-3 or you will start to metabloise everything including muscle.
 
Ripped2Shreds said:
Cutting cycle, looking to lean out.

I want to use t3, but also want to lose as little muscle as possible on it.

Then you're going to want to go up to 50mcg/day. That should be enough to kick up your metabolism but not enough that you have to worry about excessive muscle loss. Personally I'd do a fairly quick ramp-up, but it's your choice. I'd recommend a slow long ramp-down though.

And as you've probably noticed, everyone has their own opinion of T3... :)
 
Chins said:
So this is only good for bulking then, I wanted to get hard and skinny with this cycle?

DTOX-Can you give an example of the t3 cycle u have done

Dosage depends on goals. Some people like to throw in 6.25mcg/day or 12.5mcg/day on bulking cycles, and others like to use 50mcg/day or more for cutting.

I've only used 6.25mcg/day & 12.5mcg/day for helping with bulking and to get some synergy from using insulin post-workout. Worked great for me, but your mileage may vary.
 
i just ordered 25x25mcg t-3's and 30more clen's... i hope it gets here before my current clen runs out! i want to make my cycle longer, i only bought 60 clen to start!
 
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