19 yearold New blast
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ardbeg
cruising
So I know you're not going to listen to anyone that tells you to go easy. I'm not going to tell you you shouldn't be cycling because you know that. I think you're way in over your head, and one day you'll be one of us, and tell younger folks that they shouldn't do shit like this. I promise.
But let's look at the training. You can train and "GET SWOLE" without working that pec. I hope you are still training hard. What you need to be doing right now is whole-body, functional movements. I gather from the way you look and that bodybuilder pose you posted that you are doing typical "machine" workouts and maybe some DB stuff. Quit that. You're stressing things that aren't strong enough yet. Your muscles are stronger than your ligature and tendons right now. And frankly, your cardiovascular system probably isn't up to it, either.
I don't think you're up to olympic lifts because you're injured.
* But you can probably (back) squat.
* I suspect you can front squat (use the arms crossed in front method). Go light, but this helps your arms and midline as well as your legs.
* I'm certain you can run. Try tabata sprints. (20s on, 10s off, eight rounds)
* Turkish get-ups (use a sandbag on your shoulders).
* You can probably do deadlifts. Start light here. Work on form.
* Glute-ham developer (GHD) situps and reverse GHD situps. Arms in front, not out behind your head.
All the while you should be rehabbing your pec. I hope you are under the care of a physician and possibly a physical therapist to rehab that pec. Anyways, the above should keep you interested for six weeks or whatever, and then you can go back to those silly machines. But the above is mostly whole-body stuff and should keep the parts of you active that you need to keep working, lest you lose your shit.
Is your goal here to compete in figure contests? Or just be fucking strong? Seems to me you have a lot of bulk but little functional strength.
And I'm going to say one more time -- I disagree with what you're doing, and I think it's a bad idea.
That being said, I know when I was nineteen nobody could tell me what to do. Nobody.
But let's look at the training. You can train and "GET SWOLE" without working that pec. I hope you are still training hard. What you need to be doing right now is whole-body, functional movements. I gather from the way you look and that bodybuilder pose you posted that you are doing typical "machine" workouts and maybe some DB stuff. Quit that. You're stressing things that aren't strong enough yet. Your muscles are stronger than your ligature and tendons right now. And frankly, your cardiovascular system probably isn't up to it, either.
I don't think you're up to olympic lifts because you're injured.
* But you can probably (back) squat.
* I suspect you can front squat (use the arms crossed in front method). Go light, but this helps your arms and midline as well as your legs.
* I'm certain you can run. Try tabata sprints. (20s on, 10s off, eight rounds)
* Turkish get-ups (use a sandbag on your shoulders).
* You can probably do deadlifts. Start light here. Work on form.
* Glute-ham developer (GHD) situps and reverse GHD situps. Arms in front, not out behind your head.
All the while you should be rehabbing your pec. I hope you are under the care of a physician and possibly a physical therapist to rehab that pec. Anyways, the above should keep you interested for six weeks or whatever, and then you can go back to those silly machines. But the above is mostly whole-body stuff and should keep the parts of you active that you need to keep working, lest you lose your shit.
Is your goal here to compete in figure contests? Or just be fucking strong? Seems to me you have a lot of bulk but little functional strength.
And I'm going to say one more time -- I disagree with what you're doing, and I think it's a bad idea.
That being said, I know when I was nineteen nobody could tell me what to do. Nobody.
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Each man is his own... but do know if you start that high at 19 you will be closing your growth plates 100% and will not get any taller if you were going to and you will also most likely be a user for life if you don't keep your off times as long or longer as on times. Trust me I have so many friends that were national comp. level and now they are all mostly on test just to keep there body going because of the 12yr or so of using gear.
Jack Tors
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i know several guys who started at 19 and all of them regret it however there all over 260 lbs with abs lol. we do know test works better for younger people (MD article) but 19 is too early. hes already there he ran a massive yr round cycle. what im concerned with is his safty. he will most likely end up in the ER one day. i hope not but those dosages are reckless guys like this give this sport a bad rep
ardbeg
cruising
Agreed on all points. But what are you going to do about it? If you say nothing, he'll keep doing stupid shit. If you try to help him be less injured, maybe he'll come out of it shredded and with a fucked HPTA by the time he's 25. There are certainly a lot of us in that situation. But if he just goes back to the bros at the gym and gets that stupid broscience, he will likely wind up in the ER. Why consign him to only that fate? You're virtually guaranteeing it if you just tell him what an idiot he is.
ardbeg
cruising
260kg is a good squat. Unfortunately you're injured. Go for form, go for reps. I know you're not front squatting 260kg. Also, I'm probably not the first one to point out to you that if you tore your pec on a military press, you're leaning back too much. Some lean is okay, but you really need to be upright. Military (also called "strict") press comes from the shoulders and arms. And 200kgs is huge for a strict press. At that point, I'd be push pressing or push jerking it (but then, I love olympic lifts, so strict press doesn't do anything for me).
Oh, I disagree. Don't even try to tell me you're not doing this at least partially because it feels so fucking awesome. High testosterone is correlated with high dopamine. Yeah, you're getting high. I'm just not going to try to talk you out of it. I would ask that you try to train a little smarter. I think you're probably working out with some bros who are not.. the smartest around. Really strong people hurt themselves all the time doing shit the wrong way, or doing it too aggressively. Takes time to get huge. Takes time to get strong. Be patient. I know, it sucks. And I am shit at patience. The alternative, as you've learned, is breaking your shit.
ardbeg
cruising
bro, you're already pretty fucking huge. your cycle you're planning is giant. you don't need to add anything to it. you don't even need to run it at the levels you're planning. you are going to explode. we're worried about you. you've got the rest of your life to run amazing cycles.
vader69
New member
ok well Ill do that huge cycle then go off for 8 weeks
ardbeg
cruising
You're going for twelve weeks on cycle. Since you're cruising (which I still think is a bad idea), I'm not sure what to do here for post cycle therapy (pct). Why would you only take eight weeks off? Take longer than that. Take twelve or sixteen weeks off. Keep your cruising level low. Maybe you won't fry your hpta. Then, come back with a cycle. Doesn't gotta be giant, but be ready to put in work.
So, there was a dude here who posted about being on tren for six months straight. He got bloods afterwards, and he had zero, zero endogenous test production. On testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for life. That's where you're headed. I guess I'm not clear on what your strategy is here. If you're blast/cruising, are you not seeing gains anymore on just your "normal cruising level"? Might that be because your training isn't doing it, or you're just not being patient? Why are you doing the blasts instead of staying at a more reasonable level all the time? I'm on 420mg/wk, and I know at least one other guy is, too. If you can't get gains at 420mg/wk, there's something else going on.
Not really arguing with you here, I'm trying to help you out. I'm kind of confused, though.
vader69
New member
becuase I wana get huge huge man
ardbeg
cruising
You will get huge with the right training and even 750mg/wk of test. You need to step up your training if you're not. More gear isn't going to scale linearly. That is, twice as much gear doesn't mean twice as huge. And if you can't train on the gear, you won't be able to train off the gear and keep those gains.
the only thing I can add to the info everyone is already saying is remember this at 19.... you don't want kids and you'll do anything in the world from having them. Believe it or not at 35 or 30 or when ever you are going to want kids and if you go down the road your thinking about going down and end up on trt. It'll either be a no go for you in the kid area or a ton harder then it should be at best. It may not even matter right now but I promise one day once your married and want to pass your name down it'll matter a ton and you'll wish you had done stuff differently. I only speak from experience I started at about your age with smaller dosages was pretty good to go then as time when on and off times became shorter it's honestly very hard to get my levels up (this is going by how I feel) not blood work .... then it used to be. I'm personally very worried myself then i've gave up the chance of having kids for lifting weights and at 19 I could care less but at 29 and about to be married and dreams of having a family some day it matters a lot. Just the thought of having to look at my wife and be like my self actions made you give up your chance of having a child is unthinkable. Just food for thought man trying to let you learn from my and so many of our mistakes.
you guys are all pretty much wasting your breath, he doesn't care. this isn't the first thread he's made on here and people have replied and said the same stuff, and what does he do? he makes a new thread for feedback regarding his new blast...
he's one of those that's just a lost cause, you have to let it go and just accept the fact some people just don't get it and this why it's illegal and always will be because of people like him, these guys will always be around and that's not going to change, the best you can do is just ignore him. i don't even get why he's still here, everybody keeps telling him the same shit over and over, he needs to take a hint and get lost, nobody like this shit that he's doing and nobody here supports his reckless behavior. you can find his other thread he's made, and people told him he's not going to live long and he even replied saying something like, "he doesn't want to live that long anyway" or something like that, the dude has a death wish, the help he needs he's not ever going to get it because he doesn't want it.
he's one of those that's just a lost cause, you have to let it go and just accept the fact some people just don't get it and this why it's illegal and always will be because of people like him, these guys will always be around and that's not going to change, the best you can do is just ignore him. i don't even get why he's still here, everybody keeps telling him the same shit over and over, he needs to take a hint and get lost, nobody like this shit that he's doing and nobody here supports his reckless behavior. you can find his other thread he's made, and people told him he's not going to live long and he even replied saying something like, "he doesn't want to live that long anyway" or something like that, the dude has a death wish, the help he needs he's not ever going to get it because he doesn't want it.
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