1st cycle - Do I need Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for Test E only?

[skitzz]

1st cycle - Do I need HCG for Test E only?

I am researching my for my 1st cycle and so far its looking like this:

1-12 week 300mg Test- E (2x150mg week)

PCT will be Nolvadex at 40mg/40/20/20

Do I need to load on the first day with Nolva? also, when shoudl i start Nolva since Test-E has a long half life.

Do I need Arimidex or HCG in this cycle or post-cycle? If so, when would I start taking either?

My stats are as follows:
35yo
5' 7"
155lbs
approx 16% BF

My goal is to add some mass around 15-20 lbs. But not sure what to expect the 1st go round....So any help is appreciated. Iv'e used PHs before but wanna get away from the stuff that is harsh on the liver.

No rush here, i'm not starting anything till i have all my questions answered and i feel comfortable about my cycle.

Thanks for your help!

 

[wakejunkie]

I am no expert but from what reading I have done stick with the test for your first round. Make sure to run a Aromatase inhibitor (AI) the whole way time your on.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Moved to the appropriate forum.......

 

[skitzz]

My bad. Thanks!

 

[srm2cz]

Do I need to load on the first day with Nolva?

No

when shoudl i start Nolva since Test-E has a long half life.

Two weeks after last injection

Do I need Arimidex or HCG in this cycle or post-cycle? If so, when would I start taking either?

You should have both on hand. Arimidex dosing is an inexact science...some people do .25mg every day, some do .25mg every three or four days. Start off doing .25mg every 3 days and get blood work every four weeks to make sure your estradiol levels are normal. If too high, increase the frequency; if too low, decrease frequency. But generally .25mg every 2-3 days is normal.

HCG should be taken during cycle as well; 250 IUs once every 5-7 days on your low test dose should suffice.

 

[skitzz]

So adding in the arimidex and HCG as suggested above, my new cycle would look like this now:

On Cycle:
1-12 week 300mg Test- E (2x150mg week)
1-12 week .25mg Arimidex (every 3 days)
1-12 week 250IUs HCG (every 5-7 days)

PCT:
15-16 week Nolvadex 40mg (two weeks after last Test-E injection)
17-18 week Nolvadex 20mg

Do I need HCG post cycle as well or only on cycle? Also, so week 13 i'm not taking anything? Am I missing anything else here? Thanks so far for the help!

 

[TroyDiesel25]

I'll be doing this same exact cycle very soon. I heard clomid would be better than nolvadex for post cycle therapy (pct)? What do you guys think?

I plan on using finasteride (Propecia) as well on cycle for hair.

 

[skitzz]

Actually i am wafflling a bit myself on either Clomid or Nolva for PCT...

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

300mg a week? i for some reason dont see the 15-20lb gains coming like you want with that dose. i would double it.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

i doubt you will need any adex on 300mg a week of test.

 

[skitzz]

Maybe i should up it to 500mg a week? Would i need arimidex then? Also, HCG only on cycle or post cycle as well? if so when should I start it (HCG) and how much?

 

[cyto33]

HCG on cycle and adex only if needed.

 

[srm2cz]

Maybe i should up it to 500mg a week?

500mg/week is pretty standard for a first cycle

Would i need arimidex then?

As I said before, keep it on hand. Start off with a low dose (.25mg every 3 days) and at your 4 week bloodwork check your estradiol levels; if too high, increase frequency of the dose, if too low, decrease frequency. You can also increase/decrease frequency if you have gyno symptoms/low libido.

HCG only on cycle or post cycle as well? if so when should I start it (HCG) and how much?

Only on cycle. If you're doing 500mg/week, maybe do 250IU injections twice a week instead of every 5-7 days. Some people suggest doing it post-cycle in megadoses instead but doing it on cycle vs post cycle is basically a decision of whether to prevent the problem or to fix the problem. I'd rather prevent by doing it on cycle but it's up to you.

Again, as with the Arimidex, you may have to tweak dosage frequency depending on if you notice testicular shrinkage...but 250IU every 4-5 days is a pretty standard starting point

 

[skitzz]

Great! thanks guys!! good info! Feeling alot more comfortable now...