1st cycle

[farnelljeff]

I am 24 years old, 165 pounds, 17" arms, 8 % bodyfat. I have been working out since 14 years old, and for my size i am very strong. I am looking to take a 1st cycle. I placed an order for DBOL and DECA and proviron and nolvadex.. i was thinking about taking 200ML deca a week and 20MG of DBOL a day. Is that a bad cycle for a begginer. I am looking to put on mass, but having very solid and keepable gains. Should I just take deca at 400 ML a week? Any suggestions. I am not looking to get huge super quickly, i want a noticable gain but i still want to mantain an extremely cut physique. HELP! I can replace the dbol with winstrol depot.. would deca and winstrol be good? Dosages?? what could i expect from deca/ winstrol depot? I really dont want to take any test. I want to keep majority of gains

 

[StoneColdNTO]

As I stated in your other thread, my recommendation for a first cycle for you is either Test enanthate or Test cypionate @ 400-500 mg/week for 8-10 weeks.

I realize you don't want to use Test (for reasons I'll never understand), maybe if you learn about Deca and deca dick you'll change you mind.

 

[farnelljeff]

people have told me/ i have read you do not keep much gains on test. www.steroidtips.com/steroidrank.htm
It sounds like you actaully took them though. How were your results/ ability to keep gains?

 

[jcp2]

people have told me/ i have read you do not keep much gains on test. www.steroidtips.com/steroidrank.htm
It sounds like you actaully took them though. How were your results/ ability to keep gains?

HUH!!!!!!!!

 

[farnelljeff]

People have told me that when you get off test, you lose alot of the gains. My friend showed me this chart at www.steroidtips.com/steroidrank.htm that says out of a possible 10, you only keep 40% of what you grew. Has anyone used test as their first cycle? If so, what were the results and how well did u keep your gains?

 

[StoneColdNTO]

people have told me/ i have read you do not keep much gains on test. www.steroidtips.com/steroidrank.htm
It sounds like you actaully took them though. How were your results/ ability to keep gains?

First off, that chart is old and severly flawed.......

Secondly, Test is Best

Thirdly, keeping gains is really dependant on doing a proper post cycle therapy (pct), including diet and training.

Lastly, hang around here and you'll see what I mean.

 

[DADAWG]

people have told me/ i have read you do not keep much gains on test. www.steroidtips.com/steroidrank.htm
It sounds like you actaully took them though. How were your results/ ability to keep gains?

bro there are lots of places on he net that the advice is bullshit given by teenagers and internet wannabes who dont even workout.guys like stonecoldnto , jcp2,txlonghorn,canuck,house1 and dozens more are the real deal ,guess what they have actually used the stuff that they are giving advice about and go to the gym and train . take a look around look at the age and experience of the vets and mods here check out needsides ,stonecolds etc pictures . as far as test goes even those who say they dont get big gains from it will usually admit that test is the base for any good cycle , one good case of deca dick will convince you as well

 

[farnelljeff]

does deca dick still occur when taking nolvidex and proviron? you have def. changed my mind about deca.. what kind of test do u think is the best? and in what amounts?

 

[DADAWG]

does deca dick still occur when taking nolvidex and proviron? you have def. changed my mind about deca.. what kind of test do u think is the best? and in what amounts?

proviron may or may not help with deca dick , deca shuts your hpta down harder than test . try 400-500 mg of test cyp or eth for 8-12 weeks , 2 weeks after your last injection start standard clomid therapy , keep the nolva on hand in case you see signs of gyno

 

[panteracfh]

yeah, at first i wanted to do dbol only, then deca/dbol and didn't want to do test because of stupid reasons and looking at charts like that.... after being here for a while, i learned alot, and realize that test should be the base for every cycle... even cutters...you should do 500mg of test enan for 10 weeks, if you want to stay lean, just eat clean, thats what determins it... also if you bloat and gain alot of water, just take liquidex... have nolva on hand for gyno and either nolva or clomid or both for proper post cycle recovery.... if your worried about keeping your gains (which is the most important part) learn all there is about Post Cycle Therapy... if you want add some Winstrol (winny) in the last 5 or 6 weeks at 50mg/day or 100mg EOD to harden out....GOOD LUCK

 

[JohnnyB]

Test for a first cycle, read this Bro

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12312&highlight=newbie

JohnnyB

 

[GreasyGreek]

Why order your materials first, and then ask us what to take... Not too smart if you ask me.

Try 500 mgs test enanthate by itself for 10 weeks.

 

[JohnnyB]

Bro how tall are you? 165lbs is kinda light you may be able to gain some more weight before cycling

JohnnyB