2 failed post cycles, doctors were no help..

[playhard00]

Hey guys, need some advice, here is a bit of background on myself.
23 years old, 6ft, 235 pounds, 17% bf. endomorph body type. 2 cycles completed. first went great, second one had issues. has been lifting for 9 years.

Nov 2012: 600test and 500tren cycle 10 weeks longs, Adex EoD, in 7th week of cycle had ED and very upset/moody, lost all sex drive completely, ended cycle right away

Jan 2013: did proper PCT. 10 000iu HCG nolva clomid. recovery only for about 2-3 weeks and then was at same stage as before

July 2013: re did PCT, another 10 000iu HCG (1000 EoD) nolva (20) clomid (50)
finished that and was ok with sex drive on and off for a few weeks, then it was gone again, and since then I have had little to no luck with erections and no libido,- I forget what it feels like to want to have sex, sex is now a stressor, not a stress relief.
just got last weeks blood work back.

the results are as follows:
total test:7 pref range: 8-29
bio available test:1.5 pref range: 3-9
SHBG:26 pref range:13-70
LH:2 pref range:1.5-9
FSH:3 pref range:1.5-18
Prolactin:12.5 pref range:2-17
Estradoil:70 pref range: 50-200

I went to my family doctor, he said he had no experience in this matter so he sent me to the Endo in the city. After looking at my bloodwork he said " most likely you will never have kids, you need TRT for life, start at 200/week see how that feels, try 300 if you desire" and sent me home.

Im trying to stay away from TRT due to my young age(23), Id like to get going naturally again, just reclaim my sex drive and be able to enjoy sex again.
(and yes, i now know that I am too young to be cycling,lesson learned)

any info would be helpful, thanks in advance.

 

[Megatron28]

Why are you using hCG during your PCT? hCG is suppressive to the HPTA.

That is a really high hCG dose too!

 

[China_Wall]

Why are you using hCG during your PCT? hCG is suppressive to the HPTA.

That is a really high hCG dose too!

yep, this for sure^^

HCG should never be used during PCT and it's good to stop it a week or two before beginning PCT

The HCG was way too high as mentioned... 500iu twice per week is plenty, and only needed for a few weeks (4-6) at the end of the cycle

and I would bet you didn't wait long enough after your last injection to begin the clomid/nolva to make the PCT most effective. Waiting the "web standard" 14 days is NOT long enough, 21 days is MUCH better

but the biggest mistake is still the fact you ran HCG during PCT

do another PCT, 50mg clomid/40mg nolva for 30-45days... should help a bit, but really you should get some bloods done and see if you levels are in the normal range. If they are, all you can do is wait it out bro...

in the meantime, get some cialis or viagara... at least make the lady friend happy

 

[playhard00]

Why are you using hCG during your PCT? hCG is suppressive to the HPTA.

That is a really high hCG dose too!

I know now that HCG is to be used during cycle, at the time I was guided and told to use it after cycle during pct. live and learn.

any suggestions as to how I restart my natural test again.
before my second cycle, when I was clean of all AAS, my gf and I were in the bed twice per day, every day, and it was amazing.
just last night we tried to engage but I couldn't manage any wood, its really starting to affect our relationship. between that and literally not being interested in sex at all.

thanks in advance

 

[playhard00]

Would doing another post cycle of just clomid(100/100/50/50) and nolva(40/40/20/20) be of any help, or am I beyond that now? :/

 

[China_Wall]

Would doing another post cycle of just clomid(100/100/50/50) and nolva(40/40/20/20) be of any help, or am I beyond that now? :/

it's worth a try... i mentioned that above

 

[hölderlin]

I know now that HCG is to be used during cycle, at the time I was guided and told to use it after cycle during pct. live and learn.

any suggestions as to how I restart my natural test again.
before my second cycle, when I was clean of all AAS, my gf and I were in the bed twice per day, every day, and it was amazing.
just last night we tried to engage but I couldn't manage any wood, its really starting to affect our relationship. between that and literally not being interested in sex at all.

thanks in advance

This is where having a healthy fetish comes in handy. There's something to be said about that one thing that will always get you off.

 

[hölderlin]

This crap is what kinda scares me, and that's pretty funny.

Of all the potentially dangerous sides I'm just worried about my boner.

 

[Megatron28]

I know now that HCG is to be used during cycle, at the time I was guided and told to use it after cycle during pct. live and learn.

any suggestions as to how I restart my natural test again.
before my second cycle, when I was clean of all AAS, my gf and I were in the bed twice per day, every day, and it was amazing.
just last night we tried to engage but I couldn't manage any wood, its really starting to affect our relationship. between that and literally not being interested in sex at all.

thanks in advance

China Wall answered you question about PCT.

Next time don't just listen to some dude. Stop and think about whether or not it makes sense. You need to understand what hCG does and how it affects the HPTA. You are dealing with powerful hormones so you should know what they do before you jab some into your ass. Your "live and learn" approach is a little misguided. There is a chance that you will always feel the way you do right now. You may not recover. This isn't a YOLO type deal. You hopefully have a long life ahead of you and feeling like shit with no libido for the rest of it would kind of suck. Next time try the "learn and live" approach.

 

[playhard00]

China Wall answered you question about PCT.

Next time don't just listen to some dude. Stop and think about whether or not it makes sense. You need to understand what hCG does and how it affects the HPTA. You are dealing with powerful hormones so you should know what they do before you jab some into your ass. Your "live and learn" approach is a little misguided. There is a chance that you will always feel the way you do right now. You may not recover. This isn't a YOLO type deal. You hopefully have a long life ahead of you and feeling like shit with no libido for the rest of it would kind of suck. Next time try the "learn and live" approach.

starting last and final pct this week before becoming a TRT member, clomid 100/100/50/50/25 and nolva 40/40/20/20/20, have blood work going in to it, as well will have blood work done again 2 and 4 months after the last day of the pct. will post updates and results, similar to a log I suppose, perhaps it can be used to help others in the future. cheers