2 good Questions.....

[rocko419]

Ok First Question...Lets take Omnadren for example I have read some profiles that say you will retain more water with Omnadren and less with Sustanon. Regardless if you think it’s true or false the question is what makes you retain the water? Is it the Esters in the Test that determine the water retention?

#2
Question is... lets say I’m doing Omnadren and Deca cycle and I know all ready that I will get puffy can I add Mastron or EQ and will it help me to look tighter and more of a ripped look and less puffy?

JayC,Est. Mrk .sc,milk care to share your opinion with me....Thanks Mike

 

[Green_Beret]

About question number 1:
Where the hell did you read it?!
IMO i dont think that has a diffrence between sus n' omnadren in water retention.
TEST is TEST.
And if its true, so:
1) The diffrence will be negligible.
2) Your answer is found inside your question. "Is it the Esters in the Test that determine the water retention?"

About question number 2:
If you dont wanna get water retention so use some IA like AROMASIN.

 

[rocko419]

About question number 1:
Where the hell did you read it?!
IMO i dont think that has a diffrence between sus n' omnadren in water retention.
TEST is TEST.
And if its true, so:
1) The diffrence will be negligible.
2) Your answer is found inside your question. "Is it the Esters in the Test that determine the water retention?"

About question number 2:
If you dont wanna get water retention so use some IA like AROMASIN.

Ok I respect your responce..Thank you for that. I read that shit about omna haveing more water reten then Sustanon (sust) on some steroid for sale in there profile section. But beleave me I take that with a grain of salt..That's why I said no matter if you beleave it or not.

 

[FerrariF50]

lots of people say "test is test" and although i don't like the statement it probably comes from the fact that once testosterone with an ester is injected, it cannot start to work in the body until it reacts with the esterase enzyme which hydrolyzes or frees the parent steroid from the ester.

knowing this it doesn't seem plausible that its the ester itself causing the different side effects that some experience with the same steroid.

one explanation can be the unstable blood levels due to the different half lives which can effect aromatisation.

 

[FerrariF50]

equipoise is known to slightly aromatase

but masteron has been medically used as an anti-estrogen against gynecomastia and may also bind to the aromatase enzyme to prevent other steroids from converting to estrogen.

 

[GymLift]

Testosterone aromatizes into estrogens and increased estrogens tend to increase water retention.

Also, the body just tends to hold onto more water then these hormones are fluctuating.

 

[rocko419]

Nice thanks guys..

 

[FerrariF50]

what do i win?

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

OK... burrrppp says my horse. ( i'm tired lol, sorry)

Hi lads, Miky, F50, everything's right guys? Good!

So as far as i can see. and also i can compare to.

isocaproat ester and caproate ester have the average same half-life.

so it deliver very quickly the amount of the androgene ( in case testo) at the same time.

is so different with sust, decanoate, work slowly. and longer, when the shorter ester finish to work deca continue alone.

i translated this info from a polish study, for a friend, but i cant remember the URL.

I hope it can help you.

have a nice evening lads.

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

then for your second question, i think it have to be in relation, directly with the componds in used. and a clue of what it makes think it : drostanolone, or like i've read dromastolone, work exacly the same way, in di-propionate and enanthate... so in this case the half-life don't bring a change.

But this can't help you. it don't consist as an sufisent answer for you, i guess.

 

[BakedBeans]

Omnadren and Sustanon contain the same esther make up.

If you want to stop water retention use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) such as Adex, or Letrozole.

Keep your water intake above 8litres per day, and lower your sodium intake.

 

[rocko419]

Omnadren and Sustanon contain the same esther make up.

Well not exactly the same but i agree with close to being the same. No?

If you want to stop water retention use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) such as Adex, or Letrozole.

Keep your water intake above 8litres per day, and lower your sodium intake.

Ya that's good advice..Thanks...

 

[rocko419]

Thanks Kane....

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

Omnadren and Sustanon contain the same esther make up.

If you want to stop water retention use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) such as Adex, or Letrozole.

Keep your water intake above 8litres per day, and lower your sodium intake.

Sure? Caproate have half active life than Decanoate.

And ony 5 days of half-vife

It make a difference.

low sodium is a good advice.

 

[BakedBeans]

Sure? Caproate have half active life than Decanoate.

And ony 5 days of half-vife

It make a difference.

low sodium is a good advice.

I'm talking about the newer batches of Omnadren.

Im not sure on the old ones Kane, so you're very probably right.

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

I'm talking about the newer batches of Omnadren.

Im not sure on the old ones Kane, so you're very probably right.

Hi Bake, i'm waitting the new batches and yes they are exactly the same. but it ( as far as i know) only avaible in E.U, and in a few quantity. I've seen them in U.K, like you i guess.

have a good afternoon.

 

[JayC]

Hey Mike! I'm in agreement w/Mranak on this one. Water/bloat has more to do w/the conversion of test to estrogen then the ester of the compound..IMHO So the excess estrogen is whats causing the increased water retention.. beyond that, genetics plays a huge roll as well and can help determine your aromatase enzyme levels, sensitivety to estrogen, etc..
#2.. rather then adding mast, you'd be better off adding Aromasin 25mg daily for the entire cycle. That will do wonders for excess water/bloat. Beyond that, mod carb and no simples/sugars, lots of water, and low sodium help alot as well.

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

Testosterone aromatizes into estrogens and increased estrogens tend to increase water retention.

Also, the body just tends to hold onto more water then these hormones are fluctuating.

Hi Mranak, Does-it mean he can avoid a part watter retention with an Anti-estro?