21 years old starting TRT. Help/ advice needed

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Boknows1

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Hey y'all. Just started my account and am stoked about my journey. Little bit of background. when I was 18 I fooled around with prohormones. Big mistake. Long story short I got shutdown and served a two year mission for my church. I always struggled with depression and anxiety my whole mission so I got put on an SSRI. lets just say I've been miserable for a long time. I got home about 2 months ago and have been in bed ever since. I have desperate to find help and always felt like something had changed since I did the prohormones and crapton of stimulants. I've tried Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), I've tried natural stuff, and I have a friggin clean organic diet. With all that said, I got tested right when I got home and my levels were as such. TT 420 free 10. Not happy. I know that everyone is all for trying and trying til I find what works instead of TRT. Especially at my age, but I have thought a lot, prayed, and really feel like testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is my only option. I have been in such a dark place for so long that I am much more worried about my mental health rather than fertility. I want kids, but I will cross that bridge when it comes. I'm not looking for criticism or a way to not do TRT. Just looking for advice and tips to ensure my own health and a safe protocol. Thanks guys, -Bo
 
Damn...sucks bro...
There aren't many alternatives to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) that are remotely comparable to actual trt.
There are a few on here your age on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) or started at your age...
The best thing you can do is research research read read read.
Trt is not as simple as get a shot every week (2x a week rly optimal)...
Having to donate blood every 2 months, possible prostate issues, and other health concerns along with your testicular issues...
Have you talked to your Dr about the possibilities of Clomid? It's the most common compound used in proper post cycle therapy or PTC...it triggers the body to produce testosterone after a cycle is completed.
What all have you and your doc discussed so far?
 
Thanks for the reply frank.tb yeah that's what I have been doin day and night. I'm tired of docs putting my health at risk. for instance my go had me on 500ius of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) daily and planned on me doin that for 6 weeks with no BW!!! I got tested after two weeks and my estradiol went up 25 points and my nips hurt like mad. And honestly I've been to an endo, a naturopath, osteopath, gp, basically everything. They've tried me on dhea, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), natural supps like yohimbe, horny goat weed, etc. I can't say that I can fully trust anyone I've seen so far. Oh and I had one doc try and put me on a different anti depressant which would mess with my levels even more!!! I've had BW for just about everything. Turns out my adrenals are pretty sluggish and my serotonin levels are crap cuz I'm weaning off the anti depressant. I decided to just do what I know works and get on TRT. They are starting me at 150mg a week and I started 1/2 pill of arimidex x2 a week to get my e2 down. I just wanna be as educated as I can and not let anymore docs drive me further away from health. Thanks for any input. -Bo
 
I think you made the right choice to search for alternatives before deciding on TRT.
If they teach you to self inject, which I hope they do, pinning (injecting) should be done every 3.5 days assuming they give you test C or E which are most common for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients...so pin half the.weekly dose Monday morning and the the other half of the dose Thursday evening...75 mg Mon and 75mg Thursday.
The adex should be monitored closely as too much can crush your E2 levels...taken every 3 days as well with a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose range should be fine...

Now keep in mind I am no doctor nor am I a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patient...this is all opinion based on personal knowledge, as any other advice you receive from anyone else on here...but if your doc won't allow you 2x a week injections, I'd try to find another Dr...most doctors that care for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients aren't up to date with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) protocols.

I'm surprised he didn't think about Clomid as an option...may want to run it by him...it would be a long shot since you've been supposedly shut down for so long, but it is used to kickstart natural testosterone production after steroid.cycles.

Best of luck
 
Clomiphene Citrate is making a difference in my life Could check out my thread if you want more details.

I'm terribly sorry you feel the way you do. That is no way to live. testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) was not an option for me because of my opinion but if you're okay with everything that comes with it and its working I'm glad you found something that works for you!

Keep us posted!
 
Yeah man I am actual going to a clinic called ageless mens health and they seem extremely versed in what they do. They only do once a week though an I have to go in every week to pin. apart from them only doin it once a week, it seems like they are spot on with the John crisler protocol with the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and wanna keep my troughs at around 700 and peaks at 1100-1200. I really am happy so far, but do you really think I should keep searching or just see what happens?
 
And thanks for the support Dr. House!! Yeah I think I've made up my mind with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). Excited to start feelin better and help others do the same as well!
 
My Endo informed me that drive, motivation, etc. doesn't necessarily directly correlate to testosterone levels. According to the University of Kentucky, the normal range for total testosterone is 180-726 ng/dL (I think that's correct). Free T is 8.6-27 pg/mL (again I think that's right). To double check te units I know it's right in my thread.

Just another thing to consider. I'm not trying to change your mind, just inform you what I've been told and experienced.
 
Be careful with the normal T ranges. Everyone is different. I have read many articles and the low end of the range might be normal for a 70 year old obese diabetic (especially at 180). The high ends are usually normal for a physically fit 2o year old. Bottom line is you have to do what works for you...I personally would never want a TT level of less than 400 and that is even low in my mind. Keep us updated on your journey.

DrHouse said:
My Endo informed me that drive, motivation, etc. doesn't necessarily directly correlate to testosterone levels. According to the University of Kentucky, the normal range for total testosterone is 180-726 ng/dL (I think that's correct). Free T is 8.6-27 pg/mL (again I think that's right). To double check te units I know it's right in my thread.

Just another thing to consider. I'm not trying to change your mind, just inform you what I've been told and experienced.
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I started testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) at 17. Yes, controversial but I had tried many restarts prior to my decision. I'm 20 now and testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) has done wonders for me. If it weren't for an alternative health issue, I'd be in prime condition and optimal health. Just do it. I swear its not worth the regret that will follow if you keep waiting for something to just kick back in.
 
bbbjames said:
Be careful with the normal T ranges. Everyone is different. I have read many articles and the low end of the range might be normal for a 70 year old obese diabetic (especially at 180). The high ends are usually normal for a physically fit 2o year old. Bottom line is you have to do what works for you...I personally would never want a TT level of less than 400 and that is even low in my mind. Keep us updated on your journey.
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Taken directly from my lab work measuring total testosterone:

Adult Male 20-49 years of age: 160-726 ng/dL
Adult male >= 50 years of age: 129-720 ng/dL

When I was working in the lab when I first got mine checked, the minimal was 300 ng/dL but recently changed at the university. I'm not sure why.
 
Yeah Dr. House I agree that those levels COULD be normal, but not for me. Before the prohormones I had a high sex drive, very social, good energy, lots of drive. Completely opposite now. And what's interesting is that I did 2 cycles. The first one I came off with PCT and felt everything was good. No mood issues libido still there, etc. second cycle I was in the middle of making lots of life changes and decided to flush the PH AND the PCT down the toilet. Friggin retarted to say the least, but I hit rock bottom days later. So depressed. So tired. NO libido. I have felt the same ever since. I never had anxiety before the prohormones and now it's my main issue. So with the circumstances and the tests, that's the conclusion I've come to. I shut myself down. And I will continue to be hit down unless I do something! And pantalones como le va? haha. I'm sorry man at 17 that's rough. Would you mind explaining some of the benefits?? would LOVE a good chunk of hope right now.
 
I don't think there's any standard to measured T concentration... it is dependent on the specific lab test and only has meaning quoted against the range for that specific lab test.
 
i started this at 29 and lets be honest its been life changing, but lets also be honest its a PITA as well at times. At your age I would ensure you have been through all the test. Thyroid be sure that's in store. What about your life style diet and working out, if that's crap might want to look at that. Alcohol and other drug use legal and illegal. I would also ensure you dont have a varicole vein in your ball sack, have you had an MRI to check your pituitary gland, or a minimum check your prolactin.

I would be hesitant at your age, remember it means a need in the ace literally every week till you die, and blood test quite frequent.

If you need it you need it. But at 400 levels that's low, but not bottom out low, if your life style is out of whack you could easily lower your numbers and how you feel. What you might look into is a clomid restart
 
300winmag said:
i started this at 29 and lets be honest its been life changing, but lets also be honest its a PITA as well at times. At your age I would ensure you have been through all the test. Thyroid be sure that's in store. What about your life style diet and working out, if that's crap might want to look at that. Alcohol and other drug use legal and illegal. I would also ensure you dont have a varicole vein in your ball sack, have you had an MRI to check your pituitary gland, or a minimum check your prolactin.

I would be hesitant at your age, remember it means a need in the ace literally every week till you die, and blood test quite frequent.

If you need it you need it. But at 400 levels that's low, but not bottom out low, if your life style is out of whack you could easily lower your numbers and how you feel. What you might look into is a clomid restart
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We are just trying to provide another perspective. This is why I provided the reference ranges for you to compare. I myself have been as low as 280ish and as high as 590 but still experience symptoms. Clomid has been a game changer for me. In the end, you will do whatever you want regardless of other opinions. We all do.

With your levels being 400 I am surprised you were able to get all of those treatments. The physicians and Endo I have seen basically told me no way. Which I was okay with because that isn't what I was after.
 
I appreciate the posts guys honestly. I know everyone do far just has my well-being in mind and for that I am grateful. to reply my thyroid is good. Prolactin is in range. I eat crazy clean. My moms a personal trainer so nice eaten clean my whole life and don't plan on stopping. Don't drink. Don't do drugs. I would love to say I don't think testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is for me, but I would be lying. I understand where y'all are coming from. I know you don't wanna see me on a needle for life, but really I feel like I've suffered long enough and this will be my relief. I'm tired of docs trying to push anti depressants and herbs on me and not get anywhere. For my own mental health I need to get my hormones on track to get my life goin. I am keeping a daily journal of how my therapy goes and I will post it on here eventually. god bless, -Bo
 
I honestly hate to see you start testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) so young. However, I know how you feel and I just wanted a fix.

Take care of yourself and keep us posted.
 
Hey OP, just wanted to let you know that I'm on a very similar boat as you. At 21 I was diagnosed with low T and I tried everything under the sun from multiple Drs in different fields. Clomid from 50mg ED to 12.5mg EOD and then 1mg Adex ED ... Needless to say none of it worked, actually made me feel worse for all of them in the end.
I just started a Test C protocol, too early to say if its working or not but one suggestion before you start testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is go to a sperm bank and freeze some for the years to come when you want to have kids. The clinic I went to costs 300/year to maintain a specimen, which is a small cost to pay in the long run.
 
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