2500mg of Sus a week for the last 18 weeks + Dbol + Tren + Winny + Nova....

that is an insane cycle, i can't see my self doing 2500mg of anything a week. crazy.. Where does he work? he should send some cash my way! :) I take visa, mastercard, pay pal.

lol...
 
puredrive said:
No I told him that he was killing his liver and internal organs....but I don't believe that all bodybuilders love there bodies or themseleves...like many BB's they do other drugs like alocohol and coke...some are very insecure....I don't mean this in a bad way...just stating what I have seen...anyway my friend has struggled with other drug problems and I think has transfered those addictions across....?????Nobody has seen this excesive behavior before???

Bodybuilding is plagued with such behaviorisms my friend. One study implied that roid rage was simply a stigma because many who take steroids have such psychological issues that are preexisting, and not caused by the steroids themselves.

Many bodybuilders even at high levels also have other drug issues. Paul Demayo was rumored to recently die of heroin addiction. A couple of early 20 year olds, one an owner of a popular message board, died a couple years ago mixing various drugs in their daily lives. This topic could branch off into all kinds of things until we wount up talking about two ply versus the economic savings of single ply toilet paper. Some people who do one type of drug will do another, with no real though to mortality or true health. I am willing to bet that your friend doesn't watch his blood either from the souds of things.
 
riprockwell said:
Didn't even realize his weight!! Funny man that you need that much juice to hit that weight. WOW!!

Its not so much the weight, but at 6'2" I know how weight adds up so quickly. 225 at 6'1" is nothing to say "oh my God you should be Mr Olympia!!!" about, MANY people have reached 240-250 at 6 foot and above naturally.

I dont have fantastic genetics and I'd have a BITCH of a time getting under 215 at 6'2", shredded, all natural. I'd have to starve myself for months.

The boy is a druggy, not a person dedicated to diet and training know how. This is not to say that I'm a guru of either, but to say that laziness is a sad and pathetic trait of todays modern pussy boy calling themselves men in America. So being a slightly taller guy, I can relate to what the weight is, and that is not impressive by any means that I can think of. I've seen the "little guys" like Francois Benfatto, Momo Benaziza (RIP), and even the GAY Bob Paris and I'm still not impressed in the least by a 225 pound guy, shredded or not, at 6'1".

The average American would probably label all of us drug using losers, but this is where one steroid user would call him a drug using pussy and not a bodybuilder. I predict death in the 50-early 60 year range, if not early by recreational drug use or horrific cholesterol/blood pressure that plauges such idiots.

Needsize our own Super Moderator, has reached into the 260s at 5'8" and is modest in his development. This is someone I'd readily support as a bodybuilder, not some pussy hiding behind drugs to get modest stats he should have achieved 100% natural.
 
i gotta agree with the board here. that is an absurd amount of gear to be taking for anyone at any level IMO. and no, 225 6'1 isn't terribly impressive. i lifted natural for several years and reached about 225 at the age of 25. i dieted down to 215 before my first cycle, and i am now on my second cycle and am at 248 at 6'2 with very low bf, abs very visible etc, but i still see myself as very small compared to some guys and will always try to be bigger. point is my two cycles were extremely modest in terms of dosages but i had excellent gains in strenght and size thruogh proper diet, training, and rest. to just throw shitloads of gear into your system with complete abandon for your health to achieve what could be achieved with modest cycles if not naturlaly is not only irresponsible but also life threating. just my .02
 
At his weight and hight he could probably do better in the long run if he did smaller doses this early in his lifting carrer.

But there is many guys doing, in the internet forum world, crazy doses. As long as he is monitoring his health (he does not seem to do that however) he won't die this year.

I agree that it's very stupid to do more steroids then neccesery (who decides that anyway?), but some of the moral panic is rediulous. No one is bashing the competitors that does high doses, is theirs goals and needs more noble then smaller guys? I do not think so.

/Bruce
 
daan69 said:
on my 1st cycle i hit 225 lbs with 250mg of sustanon a week.

Hell Im 6'1 And even I hit 220 lbs mark with my first cycle of test e 500 mg week. Started of at 185 lbs. And that was using 1 single compound and juicing for the first time.
 
I think you guys are getting caught up in the numbers. The guy may be 225lbs but it's how he looks that is important not how much he weighs. He may be jacked and popping out of his skin for all we know. But that is too much gear, he could cut that in half and be fine. Seems like those that arent' that educated about gear are the ones with the "more is better" mindset. I'm hoping to just be able to get the cash for a cycle about half that size.
 
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Mudge said:
Its not so much the weight, but at 6'2" I know how weight adds up so quickly. 225 at 6'1" is nothing to say "oh my God you should be Mr Olympia!!!" about, MANY people have reached 240-250 at 6 foot and above naturally.

I dont have fantastic genetics and I'd have a BITCH of a time getting under 215 at 6'2", shredded, all natural. I'd have to starve myself for months.

The boy is a druggy, not a person dedicated to diet and training know how. This is not to say that I'm a guru of either, but to say that laziness is a sad and pathetic trait of todays modern pussy boy calling themselves men in America. So being a slightly taller guy, I can relate to what the weight is, and that is not impressive by any means that I can think of. I've seen the "little guys" like Francois Benfatto, Momo Benaziza (RIP), and even the GAY Bob Paris and I'm still not impressed in the least by a 225 pound guy, shredded or not, at 6'1".

The average American would probably label all of us drug using losers, but this is where one steroid user would call him a drug using pussy and not a bodybuilder. I predict death in the 50-early 60 year range, if not early by recreational drug use or horrific cholesterol/blood pressure that plauges such idiots.

Needsize our own Super Moderator, has reached into the 260s at 5'8" and is modest in his development. This is someone I'd readily support as a bodybuilder, not some pussy hiding behind drugs to get modest stats he should have achieved 100% natural.

Nicely Said!!!! Your absolutely right. Im not impressed with guys like that especially when you look at needsize's pics!!
 
I want to thank all you guys for your honesty......and great replys....I have to admit I am a little jealous of his gains....that is just my sick thinking.....like I have only done a few cycles...like 100 Dblos...or 8 sus's....about 5 times over 15 years...which was of course not enough or atleast not done properly...but since I have been of this site I have learned so much...thanks....my friend is sick and very unimformed....I told to find a net chat room....I don't think he will or even admit his dosages to anyone else....he thinks he is healthy because he looks and feels fanatastic....when we go to the gym he gets many compliments etc....which re-enforces his behavior....this is a psychological problem...I thought there might be others out there with similiar issues...no he hasn't done his blood work...but says he will soon...also I agree 225pounds is not huge by any means but I guess you would have to see him before....a very little person....very weak....135 max bench...etc...but his gains aren't the point....thanks Guys
 
maxresults said:
I think you guys are getting caught up in the numbers. The guy may be 225lbs but it's how he looks that is important not how much he weighs. He may be jacked and popping out of his skin for all we know. But that is too much gear, he could cut that in half and be fine. Seems like those that arent' that educated about gear are the ones with the "more is better" mindset. I'm hoping to just be able to get the cash for a cycle about half that size.

This is true, I've reached 5'10, 210lbs naturally, but I was carrying a bit more bodyfat than I would have liked. I mean, Arnold was only around 220lbs on stage, wasn't he? It's definitely not hard to reach 220lbs with little or no drugs, but to look like Arnold did at that weight is a different story altogether
 
Here is something to think about:

The lower your doses are the easier time you will have keeping your gains when off cycle.
 
i think i could bench 135 if i had never w/o in my life. What does he do at the gym to keep him @ 225. There might be some complements on how he looks from people who dont pay attention to him stressing 135 at that size especially with juice. I think that looks mean alot, but i would pick him out in a gym as weakling.
 
He know's his gains are going to be hard to maintain....so he hasn't been able to come off.....every week he tells me he is terrified of losing his gains....coming off is a struggle...???
 
Coming off is a srtruggle for the body. I can tell my body is stressed. I can only imagine what coming off that cycle would be after 18 weeks. My nuts hurt after 10-12/w of a single ester test.
 
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He can rep with 225 bench...ect back huge...legs not that great....but amazing for 1.5 years of training...he says he has been training longer to others in the gym but I know different....some bodybuilders are fooled by him I have to admit....one guy how has been competeing for years came up to him last night and said " I am going to phone the judges and tell them just to drop the trophy off at your house"....a joke but people seem to be very impressed....yes he is nothing that any proffesional would glance at...but I have to say I have never seen a body transform like this before....I guess the sad thing is that he may be a well built corpse soon....I asked him where he came up with this dose...and he said...go hard or go home...more is better...and other pros do this....so why wouldn't he??????......etc...
 
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