2nd cycle, hope to have everything in line

football0062

football0062

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just about to start my 2nd heres my stats
215lb 16%BF 6'1"

1st cycle was awhile back, did test E and deca, no AIs this time im fixing that heres what i plan to run

week 1-15 test E 600mg week
week 1-13 Deca D 400mg week
week 1-17 liquidex .25mg EOD

PCT - 2 weeks after last pin
continue liquidex for 2 weeks past
last pin tapering down

Week 1: 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva ED
Week 2: 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva ED
Week 3: 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva ED
Week 4: 20mg Nolva ED

please let me know what you think. I will be pinning ever 3.5 days exactly within the hour(ex 10am mon and 10pm thur) sticking with glutes to keep the half life the same(heard before that diff spots produce diff half lifes not sure if true)

Diet will be clean, high protein, good carbs, good fats. tons of food with great muffins from Mutant Rich Piana style :D
 
football0062 said:
just about to start my 2nd heres my stats
215lb 16%BF 6'1"

1st cycle was awhile back, did test E and deca, no AIs this time im fixing that heres what i plan to run

week 1-15 test E 600mg week
week 1-13 Deca D 400mg week
week 1-17 liquidex .25mg EOD
HCG?????

PCT - 2 weeks after last pin
continue liquidex for 2 weeks past
last pin tapering down

Week 1: 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva ED
Week 2: 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva ED
Week 3: 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva ED
Week 4: 20mg Nolva ED

please let me know what you think. I will be pinning ever 3.5 days exactly within the hour(ex 10am mon and 10pm thur) sticking with glutes to keep the half life the same(heard before that diff spots produce diff half lifes not sure if true) I don't see the injection site changing the half life of a chemical? Never know though.

Diet will be clean, high protein, good carbs, good fats. tons of food with great muffins from Mutant Rich Piana style :D
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I thought liquidex should be taken ED? Something to double check.

I wouldn't consider 210 16% BF ready for juicing. In my opinion, you're running too high a dose to begin with and I think you should drop the deca if you are going to cycle regardless. At 176 LBM, you have a lot of room to grow, naturally. I would think 500mg every week to be more than sufficient because even after one cycle I feel your stats should be bigger and leaner.
 
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DrHouse said:
I thought liquidex should be taken ED? Something to double check.

I wouldn't consider 210 16% BF ready for juicing. In my opinion, you're running too high a dose to begin with and I think you should drop the deca if you are going to cycle regardless. At 176 LBM, you have a lot of room to grow, naturally. I would think 500mg every week to be more than sufficient because even after one cycle I feel your stats should be bigger and leaner.
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what would you consider stats ready for juicing? My first cycle was good had great gains was about 225 and 11%bf, only problem was i didnt get a chance for PCT.(long story)<<< that was over a year ago
 
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Leaner physiques respond better to gear. There is no idea composition one should have before using gear but there is a lot to be learned before using.

Such as proper dieting. 225 11% is a solid number. Something happened and your body composition changed because? diet? Just like now, you're 16% bodyfat. You could easily be 11% in which I think your body would respond much better.

Also, from some of my personal research, deca will get stored in fat. The more you have the more you store. Therefore, as you lean out, your body will release small amounts of deca producing deca-like symptoms up to a year or more. Just something to consider.
 
football0062 said:
just about to start my 2nd heres my stats
215lb 16%BF 6'1"

1st cycle was awhile back, did test E and deca, no AIs this time im fixing that heres what i plan to run

week 1-15 test E 600mg week
week 1-13 Deca D 400mg week
week 1-17 liquidex .25mg EOD

PCT - 2 weeks after last pin
continue liquidex for 2 weeks past
last pin tapering down

Week 1: 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva ED
Week 2: 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva ED
Week 3: 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva ED
Week 4: 20mg Nolva ED

please let me know what you think. I will be pinning ever 3.5 days exactly within the hour(ex 10am mon and 10pm thur) sticking with glutes to keep the half life the same(heard before that diff spots produce diff half lifes not sure if true)

Diet will be clean, high protein, good carbs, good fats. tons of food with great muffins from Mutant Rich Piana style :D
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Cycle looks good for the most part but you left out some important factors such as age, diet, goals, and training. Off the bat, you'll need blood work before, during and after your cycle for health and cycle adjustment reasons, your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dosage is a great starting point but mid cycle bloods will tell you if you need to adjust it or not, stop Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on the first day of PCT (don't use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during PCT), continue the clomid for 4wks and do 25mg the final week (3 is a little short), and prami/caber would be nice to have on hand for sides management with deca.
 
DreDay187 said:
Cycle looks good for the most part but you left out some important factors such as age, diet, goals, and training. Off the bat, you'll need blood work before, during and after your cycle for health and cycle adjustment reasons, your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dosage is a great starting point but mid cycle bloods will tell you if you need to adjust it or not, stop Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on the first day of PCT (don't use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during PCT), continue the clomid for 4wks and do 25mg the final week (3 is a little short), and prami/caber would be nice to have on hand for sides management with deca.
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wheres a good place for blood work? without a doc script?
 
DreDay187 said:
Cycle looks good for the most part but you left out some important factors such as age, diet, goals, and training. Off the bat, you'll need blood work before, during and after your cycle for health and cycle adjustment reasons, your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dosage is a great starting point but mid cycle bloods will tell you if you need to adjust it or not, stop Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on the first day of PCT (don't use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during PCT), continue the clomid for 4wks and do 25mg the final week (3 is a little short), and prami/caber would be nice to have on hand for sides management with deca.
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Agreed ^^

I would also consider hCG on cycle.
 
DreDay187 said:
Also just so it's clear, I paid for the privatemdlabs and personal labs requisitions on the same day, printed them both out within minutes of each other, went to the same labcorp location, took both samples on the same visit/day/time and just gave them two different reqs. Don't give them any CC info or insurance info. They may ask for drivers license which you could try and argue but they didn't for me.
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got that from ur post but its asking for CC to continue, how did u get past that?
 
football0062 said:
i would like to add hcg in but not sure of a good place to find it(along with b-12 inj). been researching on it a little. any helpful leads or links?
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I buy my injectable B12 over the counter in Canada. As far as hCG goes, i would think one of the site sponsors would carry it. Good luck.
 
DreDay187 said:
I paid with my debit card. Those records are sent to you and no one else
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blood work went super smooth, showed up no appointment with papers from both privatemdlabs.com and personalabs.com. was in and out in 20 mins didnt ask for ID or anything. ill post the results up when i get them back
 
football0062 said:
blood work went super smooth, showed up no appointment with papers from both privatemdlabs.com and personalabs.com. was in and out in 20 mins didnt ask for ID or anything. ill post the results up when i get them back
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It's a simple process. Glad you had a pleasant experience.
 
ok got the results back, but looks like the one from md labs gave me everything i need, even the right test levels, so i wont even post the other results from personal labs, because thats all it has in there lol.
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Buy some NAC and take 600-1200mg ed to lower your liver values. 600mg ed off cycle. 1200mg with injectables. 1800mg when orals are added. Evetything else looks good. Be sure yo get results again about halfway to check on your hematocrit among other things.
 
Metalhead said:
Buy some NAC and take 600-1200mg ed to lower your liver values. 600mg ed off cycle. 1200mg with injectables. 1800mg when orals are added. Evetything else looks good. Be sure yo get results again about halfway to check on your hematocrit among other things.
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ok im seeing 2 kinds, prescription NAC and supplemental NAC.
 
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