2nd Cycle opinions?!?!

[falconsfan43]

Hey guys first i'll start off by letting you know my stats bc im sure someone will ask
Age:23
Weight:226
Bf:14%
Ht:5'11''
Training exp:6 years

Alright so im on my 8th week out of 12 on my first cycle ever test e 600mg/wk. Its going pretty good so far up about 20 pounds but def holding water and a little fat. Im now trying to plan out my 2nd cycle which will be a cutter since im bulking now. Im trying to decide between these two possible cycles. One being a tren ace/test prop cycle or the second being a test prop/clen cycle. Obviously the second cycle will be much safer but i really wanna do the tren like i really really wanna try it i've heard and seen such great things about it. The thing about this cycle is i have to get into single digit bf but i also want to add some muscle and i KNOW that is possible with tren but probably not with the prop right? So do you guys recommend i do the tren/prop or the prop/clen OR maybe i could do tren/prop/clen and if the tren gets to crazy i can just drop it or would it not be a good idea to drop it cold turkey like that? Thanks guys, any suggestions or critiques would be apprecitated!

 

["200lbs is 200lbs" H.L.R.]

3j, cardio, and some test are the best for a second cycle cutter

 

[Zeek]

I hate clen so I won't nod my head to it.

2nd cycle and already going with tren? If you are set on it at least keep the dosages low. Go like 75 mg eod tren A along with a nice test dosage of 500ish/week

You could also look into something milder like test and anavar.

The weight loss will come from your diet, any steroid will help you maintain muscle in a caloric deficit. Keep that in mind.

 

[Shovel]

Try prop/var cycle...
Week 1-10 test prop 150mg eod
Week 4-10 anavar 75-100 mg ed
Adex or aromasin for an AI.
Nolva and/or clomid for pct
Extremely effective cutter if protein is hi and carbs are low.

 

[falconsfan43]

I hate clen so I won't nod my head to it.

2nd cycle and already going with tren? If you are set on it at least keep the dosages low. Go like 75 mg eod tren A along with a nice test dosage of 500ish/week

You could also look into something milder like test and anavar.

The weight loss will come from your diet, any steroid will help you maintain muscle in a caloric deficit. Keep that in mind.

Why dont you like clen? And im just tempted to try tren bc i have read how great it is and with tren ace i could try it and if i couldnt handle the sides theyd be gone within 48 hrs. And for the diet you are 100% right, i could maintain the muscle on test but with tren added in i could probably gain a good bit especially it being only my second cycle, right?

 

[falconsfan43]

Try prop/var cycle...
Week 1-10 test prop 150mg eod
Week 4-10 anavar 75-100 mg ed
Adex or aromasin for an AI.
Nolva and/or clomid for pct
Extremely effective cutter if protein is hi and carbs are low.

So clen wouldnt be necessary for a cycle like this would it? and would any muscle gain be possible with this cycle while taking away the fat?

 

[falconsfan43]

3j, cardio, and some test are the best for a second cycle cutter

Is it possible i could run enough test p (safely) to gain muscle while loosing all the fat?

 

[Zeek]

Why dont you like clen? And im just tempted to try tren bc i have read how great it is and with tren ace i could try it and if i couldnt handle the sides theyd be gone within 48 hrs. And for the diet you are 100% right, i could maintain the muscle on test but with tren added in i could probably gain a good bit especially it being only my second cycle, right?

Shovel gave you a solid plan, be sure to at least consider it.

I hate clen because of the issues that come along with it. I believe it damages the heart. I've seen too many clen users develop problems. Coincidence, maybe?

Tren is a demon that will produce some amazing results, I won't lie to you. It is a nasty compound at the same time that brings some crappy sides and turns your body into a toxic dump if you stay on it too long. In the end if you plan to use tren be sure to respect it otherwise it will kick the crap out of you.

 

[3J]

So clen wouldnt be necessary for a cycle like this would it? and would any muscle gain be possible with this cycle while taking away the fat?

yes it absolutely would but that would be 110% predicated on your diet more then anything else...

if you dont eat to allow such an environment then it will not happen..

i have a package thats made specifically for those who are going to be on cycle and have the goals you do in mind...

im running a 25% discount if your interested.. email me at 3jdiet@gmail.com

fair warning though, the goals your looking for involve an advanced diet that takes alot of dedication and will power.. including a ton of organization on your part

 

[Shovel]

So clen wouldnt be necessary for a cycle like this would it? and would any muscle gain be possible with this cycle while taking away the fat?

Finding the perfect medium with calories to lose fat and gain muscle is difficult, but not impossible. More than likely the scale will stay the same, but your appearance will change for the better. 2 cycles of steroids won't give you the perfect body, I don't care what you've heard from anybody. It's a long race amigo...

 

[3J]

Finding the perfect medium with calories to lose fat and gain muscle is difficult, but not impossible. More than likely the scale will stay the same, but your appearance will change for the better. 2 cycles of steroids won't give you the perfect body, I don't care what you've heard from anybody. It's a long race amigo...

well said

 

[falconsfan43]

Shovel gave you a solid plan, be sure to at least consider it.

I hate clen because of the issues that come along with it. I believe it damages the heart. I've seen too many clen users develop problems. Coincidence, maybe?

Tren is a demon that will produce some amazing results, I won't lie to you. It is a nasty compound at the same time that brings some crappy sides and turns your body into a toxic dump if you stay on it too long. In the end if you plan to use tren be sure to respect it otherwise it will kick the crap out of you.

Yea def like shovels cycle reccomendation, but what would be the difference in running the var or running something like Winstrol (winny)? And yes i've heard great and terrible things about the tren and that the longer your on the worse the sides get so i'd probably stay on 5-6 weeks at most for my first run.

 

[falconsfan43]

Finding the perfect medium with calories to lose fat and gain muscle is difficult, but not impossible. More than likely the scale will stay the same, but your appearance will change for the better. 2 cycles of steroids won't give you the perfect body, I don't care what you've heard from anybody. It's a long race amigo...

Thanks for your help man i thought i'd be able to achieve a somewhat perfect body with only a couples cycles when i first started but im starting to realize it doesnt work that way

 

[falconsfan43]

yes it absolutely would but that would be 110% predicated on your diet more then anything else...

if you dont eat to allow such an environment then it will not happen..

i have a package thats made specifically for those who are going to be on cycle and have the goals you do in mind...

im running a 25% discount if your interested.. email me at 3jdiet@gmail.com

fair warning though, the goals your looking for involve an advanced diet that takes alot of dedication and will power.. including a ton of organization on your part

Thank you 3J, i will def consider your package, how long is the discount running?

 

[3J]

getting the body your looking for is never a short journey

 

[3J]

Thank you 3J, i will def consider your package, how long is the discount running?

till the 26th.. but what you can do is put a small deposit down to lock in the price and then pay the rest whenever your ready to start

 

[falconsfan43]

till the 26th.. but what you can do is put a small deposit down to lock in the price and then pay the rest whenever your ready to start

alright man, i will def. consider the offer thanks again

 

[3J]

anytime my man...

if you decide not to go with the package at the least go to my free diet advice thread and post up a diet for critique..

 

[essays]

Try prop/var cycle...
Week 1-10 test prop 150mg eod
Week 4-10 anavar 75-100 mg ed
Adex or aromasin for an AI.
Nolva and/or clomid for pct
Extremely effective cutter if protein is hi and carbs are low.

I like this option the best. You will see fantastic results with this, without feeling shitty from sides.

The most important thing for you to do falconsfan, is get your diet in check. That's what cuts the weight. The gear and a/b receptor agonists are just a crutch if you can't diet.

 

[Dr. Steal]

My honest suggestion

14 wks of test
moderate dose of var
3J 3J 3J and some more 3J

Your diet will make or break your single digit BF goal.

I just do not like clen especially for a second cycle cutter, and TREN is a helluva drug.