2nd cycle, test 400 and deca

[SomeUser8421]

Hi, roughly 14 weeks ago i did a first cycle of 500mg of test e every week. Great response to the cycle, gained ~16lbs lean mass and managed to keep it. I plan on doing another cycle now and wanted some advice and opinions.

week 1-12 400mg deca
week 1-14 600mg test 400
week 16-21 PCT (50mg clomid and 20mg nolva ed)

Reason for test 400 is that i got it very cheap from a friend that decided he couldn't take the pip and "test flu"? anymore lol.

Age: 24
Years training: 6
Mass: 220lbs (this morning)
Body fat %: ~12%

My diet is clean, always has been due to strict military-like upbringing lol, getting about 5-6 meals a day with snacks in between (average about 3200 calories a day).

 

[Teutonic]

Good size bro.

Adding a 19 nor on a second cycle is not crazy but it is a potential host of other possible side s..prolactin and what not. Keep this in mind and please remember you r strength will sky rocket so mind the soft tissues and connective stuff. I d not max or even do triples lessen u is trying to be a powerlifter.

Take it from a 52 yr old geriatric man who snort s geritol cialus and bang s young un s...your heart and then cock are the MOST IMPORTANT muscles.

Bar none. Just saying homieeee

 

[Milton]

Welcome to the site! How long was your first cycle for? have you done blood work at any point?

 

[Roush]

i don't see an AI in your cycle, no HCG either . with that high of test and deca, you will need an AI

 

[3J]

i agree with roush..

i would add adex .5mg eod 1-16 and hcg 250iu twice a week 1-16

and have prami on hand.. if i go over 300mg deca i start to notice sexual sides.. harder time busting..

 

[Gainjin260]

i agree with roush..

i would add adex .5mg eod 1-16 and hcg 250iu twice a week 1-16

and have prami on hand.. if i go over 300mg deca i start to notice sexual sides.. harder time busting..

.5 of Adex eod on 600mg of test would tank my e levels. I aromatize very little. He may well need that dose, but I'd start with .25 eod and up it from there if need be after mid cycle bloods.

You are getting blood work, right?

Did you run ai on first cycle?

 

[SomeUser8421]

Welcome to the site! How long was your first cycle for? have you done blood work at any point?

First cycle was 12 weeks and i wasn't very well advised. Have not had blood work done however I do plan on doing things properly this time round.

i don't see an AI in your cycle, no HCG either . with that high of test and deca, you will need an AI

Oh yeah, not sure how i missed it. I did plan on doing .25mg of adex eod through to week 16.

.5 of Adex eod on 600mg of test would tank my e levels. I aromatize very little. He may well need that dose, but I'd start with .25 eod and up it from there if need be after mid cycle bloods.

You are getting blood work, right?

Did you run ai on first cycle?

Yes and yes.

Thanks for the replies.

 

[SomeUser8421]

I'm considering lowering the dosages to 300mg deca and 500mg test 400. Is it worth doing it at that dosage? Thoughts?

Thanks.

 

[Gainjin260]

Run deca min 400.
Some argue 500-600 min.
300 is getting close to a therapeutic dose.
Test is fine at 500, but if you didn't have any issues last cycle 600 won't be a problem.

 

[Gibsonator]

I'm running 600 test/600 deca no problems, wouldn't run it any less. Don't listen to dylan gimeli lol.

 

[oldmusclemike]

Turn the test down to 400mgs wk and Deca at 600mg wk. Extend cycle 2 more weeks and cut the Deca out at week 14 n continuing the Test till wk 16. the PCT at wk 18

 

[SomeUser8421]

Turn the test down to 400mgs wk and Deca at 600mg wk. Extend cycle 2 more weeks and cut the Deca out at week 14 n continuing the Test till wk 16. the PCT at wk 18

Can you give me an explanation why up the deca and lower the test?

 

[Milton]

Take it from a 52 yr old geriatric man who snort s geritol cialus and bang s young un s...your heart and then cock are the MOST IMPORTANT muscles.

Bar none. Just saying homieeee

I though the penis was a vein?