2nd Cycle to check out if you have a shot (test/eq/var)...

[Feli Fly]

This will be my second cycle. I'm 23yo, 6ft, 185lb, 12% right now. First cycle was 8wk of sust250mg/deca200mg (that was a lil over a year ago).

wk 1: sust 400, prop 150, eq 400, deca 200
wk 2: sust 350, prop 100, eq 400, deca 200
wk 3-7: sust 250, eq 400
wk 8-10: prop 200, eq 400
wk 11-12: prop 200

wk 6-12: var 40mg ED

wks 0-12: nolva 10mg EOD
wks 5,10,11: Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 2000IU

Nolva post cycle therapy (pct) beginning wk13:
day 1: nolva 40mg
days 2-5: nolva 30mg ED
days 6-14: nolva 20mg ED
days 15-21: nolva 10mg ED

My diet is pretty on point; while on cycle I think I'll bump it to about 3000cal and 250g of pro each day. I lift 3x a week, but I up that to 4x when on cycle. I'll use ALA and glutamine throughout the cycle, and creatine and 4AD during the post cycle therapy (pct) part. Also, vitamin B5, Nizoral 2% shampoo, and Neutrogena face soap used throughout.

I think the cycle is good to go; I'm planning on starting next week. I know the deca doesn't fit in there, but it was just stuff I have around that I'm going to use up... does anybody have any comments or critique on my cycle? THANKS

 

[prolangtum]

I cant maintain my left leg on 3k cals. bump it up to 3500 gradually, and maybe venture to 4k. Your not going to gain muscle if you dont eat enough cals.

 

[JohnnyB]

Doing hgc at those doses is not a good idea and used 1 test. Here's a study showing the negitive results of a dose of 1500iu.

Posted by hhajdo at S’ology

Differential effect of single high dose and divided small dose administration of human chorionic gonadotropin on Leydig cell steroidogenic desensitization.

Smals AG, Pieters GF, Boers GH, Raemakers JM, Hermus AR, Benraad TJ, Kloppenborg PW.

This study compared the effect of a single high dose of hCG (1500 IU) with that of the same dose administered in multiple small doses (300 IU, once daily for 5 days) on Leydig cell steroidogenesis. Administration of a single high dose of hCG to seven healthy men raised the mean plasma testosterone (T) level to peak levels 2.1 +/- 0.2 (SEM) X the baseline value at 48 h. Thereafter plasma T decreased to below normal (0.7 +/- 0.1 X baseline) 7 days after the injection. The mean 17-hydroxyprogesterone (17-OHP) level peaked at 24 h (2.5 +/- 0.2 X baseline) and then also fell to a nadir value of 0.6 +/- 0.2 X baseline on day 7. Reflecting the early accumulation of 17-OHP over T, the 17 OHP/T ratio reached its maximum (1.6 +/- 0.1 X baseline) at 24 h at the same time when plasma estradiol [(E2) 4.4 +/- 0.6 X baseline] and the ratio E2/T (2.7 +/- 0.3 X baseline) achieved their maximal values. Administration of 1500 IU hCG in five divided doses of 300 IU daily increased the mean plasma T levels to peak value of 2.1 +/- 0.2 X baseline at 5 days and the levels remained elevated thereafter. The response of T as reflected by the area under the curve was almost twice as great as in the single dose study (2844 +/- 360 vs. 1647 +/- 214). In contrast to the single high dose experiment, mean plasma 17-OHP levels in the divided dose protocol did not peak at 24 h but only gradually increased. As the increase of T exceeded the 17-OHP increase at almost all time intervals, no accumulation of 17-OHP over T occurred as in the single dose experiment. Instead the 17-OHP/T ratio fell to a nadir value of 0.6 +/- 0.1 X baseline on day 7. The initial E2 peak was absent in the divided dose protocol and the E2/T ratio only marginally increased. Considering both experiments together a close relation was found between the hCG-induced increases in E2 and 17-OHP (r = +0.88, P less than 0.001), as well as the ratio 17 OHP/T (r = +0.64, P less than 0.02).

JohnnyB

 

[prolangtum]

500 ius is plenty

 

[Feli Fly]

Thanks for the imput guys, and that article is good...

The Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) listed was a weekly dosage, but I do break it up into 3 shots in those weeks I use it (667iu on M, W, and F), and I store the remaining syringes in the fridge for a couple days. I may even consider five 400iu shots each week now after reading that... I know I have a ton of extra slin pins around anyways.

My juice shots during the cycle are also broken into 3 each week while I'm using prop or probably just 2 during the weeks where its just sust and eq.

I cant maintain my left leg on 3k cals. bump it up to 3500 gradually, and maybe venture to 4k. Your not going to gain muscle if you dont eat enough cals.

As for the calories, my cals needed to maintain are only about 2200 or 2300. During my first cycle, I ate about 4500 cals ED and shot up from 175 to 205lbs, but I was a LOT fatter afterwards and a lot of my lifting buddies were making steroids jabs at me.

This time, I'd much rather just put on a solid 10 or 15lbs this cycle than have to deal with all the feeling lethargic, having to cut down for months, and dealing with tight fitting clothes again.

 

[Trevdog]

3000 cals and 250 protein still seems light to me, but you've obviously given this some thought considering your past experience.

Unless you have sore joints, I would save the deca for a cycle that includes deca as a working part of it. No big deal, its a tiny amount anyway.

The cycle does seem on the light side overall, but it takes big doses for me to grow. Maybe you respond better.

No doubt it is well planned. Good luck with it.

 

[daan69]

you are using 4AD during PCT???

 

[Slayer]

Is the prop in weeks 1-2, 150 eod? It must be. I'd run the sust at 400mg throughout. I would increase the Eq to 600mg and save the deca. I like the idea of ending your cycle with the Anavar (var). I did that with a sust cycle once and it worked great.

Just my opinion of course.

And as said above, increase your protein intake to 350-400 grams a day. I shoot for 5k to 6k of calories on cycle.