2nd Cycle - Trying Lean Gaining

[Adamanthium]

Hi guys,

This is my first post so a little bit of info:

Age: 24 years
Lift: 2 years

The 1st cycle was 12weeks of:
10weeks 500mg/wk Test-C
12weeks 50mgED Var
Last 2 weeks 300mg Test-P
1g Anastrozole/wk
2x250iu HCG/wk (didn't work, mid-cycle tests said so; maybe I did something wrong with the BAC water dunno)
Liv-52
Silymarin
TUDCA

PCT:
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 20/20/20/10

I was really pleased with the cycle, gains were 9kg; kept 6-7kg depending on my caloric intake and kept almost all the strength.

My diet could have been better though. So for my 2nd cycle I'm inclined to do a lean gains with minimal fat cycle, because this will keep me on spot with my diet and not screwaround with macros/calories. If I want to lean gain with minimal fat it will be paramount to hit my targets and not miss them. I know diet is key and not AAS.

This being said, I'll be training 6x per week with 500kcal surplus and kcal deficit on non-workout day. Trying to gain 5kg of LBM. I'll start when I'm 8-9%bf, now currently 14%. I planned it to be in January 2014 or last resort in February 2014 if something doesn't go as planned.

My 2nd cycle will be as follows:

Weeks 1-12:
Test-P 200mg per week
Primobolan Depot 300mg per week (although last pin of Primo will be in Week 10 because it's active for 2 weeks)
Adex 2g per week

Weeks 1-6:
Mast-P 300mg per week

Weeks 7-12:
Var 100mgED
Tren-A 150mg per week
Caber 1g per week
Liv-52
Silymarin
TUDCA

PCT:
Clomid 100/50/25/25/12.5
Nolva 40/20/20/10



Do you think that 5kg LBM is achievable with my above plan of diet-training-gear?
Is 500kcal surplus on the 6 workout days and a kcal deficit on non-workout days a good leangains diet on cycle?
Thoughts about cycle? AAS used? Dosages? Times?

Cheers!

 

[smittiot]

Hit up 3J. You won't regret it.

 

[ozzyozzy21]

Too much gear for a 2nd cycle. Also feel you jumped on aas too son as you only have 2 years experience and if you did a cycle before this, that really means you only lifted about a year w out aas. Missed out on a lot of natty potential IMO. I say just go test and one other compound of your choosing. Not tren either. Get another cycle or two under your belt before you jump on that beast. Holy cow! You ran var for 12 weeks!!!!!????? Def need to read more on here before you start another cycle. Wow!

 

[Manski]

All your dosages are low except the var ! In my opinion you would be waisting your money and time. Don't even run primo unless you can run it for at least 14-16 wks !

 

[Adamanthium]

Thanks guys for your input.

So I'll be reducing the AAS and extending the time on plus upping the dosage. I'll be keeping test and var (used in the first one) and adding just primo; so it looks like this:

Week 1-14..................: Test-E 250mgEW
Week 1-14..................: Primo 600mgEW
Week 9-16..................: Anavar 100mgED
Week 14-16................: Test-P 300mgEW

Week 3-16...................: HCG 250iu EoD
Week 1-16...................: Adex 0.25EoD
Week 9-16...................: Liv52 & TUDCA

PCT (3 days after last Test-P injection)
Clomid 100/50/25/25/12.5
Nolva 40/20/20/10

How does it look like now?
I was thinking of adding some Test-P in the first 2 weeks also to kickstart it - what do you guys think about that?

 

[3rdinfintry]

All your dosages are low except the var ! In my opinion you would be waisting your money and time. Don't even run primo unless you can run it for at least 14-16 wks !

I disagree with this theory.

Yes PRIMO is better if ran at a longer time frame. But I ran it for 12 weeks at 600 per week and have some real noticable gains.

I think at 10-12 weeks you can really build quality muscle.

Just my 2 cents

 

[3rdinfintry]

Thanks guys for your input.

So I'll be reducing the AAS and extending the time on plus upping the dosage. I'll be keeping test and var (used in the first one) and adding just primo; so it looks like this:

Week 1-14..................: Test-E 250mgEW
Week 1-14..................: Primo 600mgEW
Week 9-16..................: Anavar 100mgED
Week 14-16................: Test-P 300mgEW

Week 3-16...................: HCG 250iu EoD
Week 1-16...................: Adex 0.25EoD
Week 9-16...................: Liv52 & TUDCA

PCT (3 days after last Test-P injection)
Clomid 100/50/25/25/12.5
Nolva 40/20/20/10

How does it look like now?
I was thinking of adding some Test-P in the first 2 weeks also to kickstart it - what do you guys think about that?

I would add the prop the 1st 4 weeks until the other test kicks in.

 

[ozzyozzy21]

I would add the prop the 1st 4 weeks until the other test kicks in.

I've never personally done it bc I think its stupid to run two esters. I understand why you do it I just think its is for a very advanced user, someone beyond their 2nd or 3rd real cycle. The main problem (unless you know your half life's etc to a tee) is the fluctuating test levels cause your estro levels to bounce and good luck dialing in an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) while that's happening. To me, not worth the trouble. I say pick an ester and run it the whole cycle. If you're looking for a bump at the beginning or end pick one and use the var there.