38 Days - Test E Still no results :( What to do?

[oldfeller]

Hi all, I'm now on day 38 (today will be my 12th injection of Test - E. I've been taking 500mg/week split (taking 250 every 3.5 days). I was so pumped for this cycle and couldn't wait to see the results. Everyone was like "oh ya, you will put on like 20lbs")

I'm really disappointed so far (1st test cycle). I'm not seeing any gains, my weight is exactly where I started. I'm eating clean and plenty and working out hard. Here's what I find weird...

- I feel like I'm warm all the time (which I know can be a symptom)
- I appear to have some shrinkage in the boys.
- No weight gain
- No real change in physique (maybe slight but been eating more and working out harder)
- Haven't been sleeping as well
- No real change in sex drive, but I find it takes me longer to "get there" and volume is way down.

All I've been taking is the test-e. I have armidex on hand, but haven't felt the need to take it. (no itchy nips or bumps) I'm using a canadian brand of test and have emailed supplier to ask if it could be weak or bunk and he replied. "Never have any problems with test-e, gear is good to go".

I'm in my 40's.. 6' 198lbs. Any suggestions on what to do? I have enough test to go 10 weeks and then start post cycle therapy (pct). I don't even know if I should do post cycle therapy (pct) if I don't feel this worked??? I was half thinking on trying to get a different vial off someone at gym / switch to it and try to go to 12 weeks??

I found my first source on my own (google) and didn't bother trying to ask here cause I know the rules. I've been lurking around here for a bit now so if a canadian brother wants to PM and make a "recommendation" that might help I see lots of folks talking about the new AML. I've been using M******R.

and damn... I was so proud I had all my ducks lined up.. got my pins and everything from help from folks on here.
Maybe testosterone doesn't work for everyone??

thanks to anyone who can help or offer suggestions!

 

[Austinite]

Possible issues:

1. Your gear is either fake or considerably underdosed.
2. Your nutritional plan is suffering.

Here are a list of problems that you need to highly consider:

1. Arimidex is not to be kept on hand, it's to be used on cycle.
2. You have no blood work to verify the legitimacy of your gear.
3. Your nutritional plan is not mentioned in your post. I'll elaborate below...

This is the one most dominating reason why most users set themselves up to fail. Steroids are not magic. You will not grow if you're expending more than your daily expenditure. You need to find out what your expenditure is and go into a caloric increase of 300 calories or more. That's the easy part. The hard part (for beginners) is to break down those calories into proper macronutrients (Proteins, fats, carbs).

There is no possible way that you would not gain weight if you ate accordingly. Even if your gear was fake, you would still gain weight.

I suggest you abort this cycle, have panels ordered for Testosterone total, Free testosterone, Estradiol and a complete blood count. That's your first step. While you're waiting for your results, it's in your best interest to have your diet evaluated by a professional in the nutrition section.

Best of luck to you.

 

[German89]

Just like Austin said... Probably your diet... You should be upping your protein intake and, eating, eating and just when you thought you're full... 20 mins later, eat again!

 

[dnab87]

Even with a decent diet running 500 mgs anyone can make legit gains. id get blood work done. only way to give you piece of mind.

 

[clman8585]

Even with a decent diet running 500 mgs anyone can make legit gains. id get blood work done. only way to give you piece of mind.

True that negro. Even with a not so on point diet he would still be feeling more vascular, better pumps, increased aggression, maybe some fat los.s.. I would definately get bloodwork done so you can have proof if it is bunk.

 

[Rumpy]

I would give it a week. Some people seem to feel the effects sooner than others, so I'd wait until you hit the 6 week mark, then as said above, the best thing to do would be to get a blood test. That's really the only way to know if the gear is good, and it also gives you something to show the supplier if it's not. Keep in mind that the effects should be coming on slowly over a period of weeks, so don't expect to suddenly wake up one day feel it all at once. That said, like others have said, you should feel something, and you should be gaining weight and strength by now, so not sure what to think.

 

[robbiek426]

True that negro. Even with a not so on point diet he would still be feeling more vascular, better pumps, increased aggression, maybe some fat los.s.. I would definately get bloodwork done so you can have proof if it is bunk.

I know we all preach perfect diet because it is essential to OPTIMAL gains however.........if you look at the powerlifting world you need no more verification as to whether or not AAS will work with a crappy diet! If you are this deep in and haven't noticed above normal strength increases then its probably not the most properly dosed test in the world. I have known several people who lift for strongman or just powerlifting and believe me, their diets are nothing special but they still get results. Just like Clman said, you should be "feeling" it. Get some blood work done brother! Docd posted a great information piece with a source in which he gets blood work done to show exact values!
Shoot him a PM or find his post!

 

[Austinite]

I know we all preach perfect diet because it is essential to OPTIMAL gains however.........if you look at the powerlifting world you need no more verification as to whether or not AAS will work with a crappy diet! If you are this deep in and haven't noticed above normal strength increases then its probably not the most properly dosed test in the world. I have known several people who lift for strongman or just powerlifting and believe me, their diets are nothing special but they still get results. Just like Clman said, you should be "feeling" it. Get some blood work done brother! Docd posted a great information piece with a source in which he gets blood work done to show exact values!
Shoot him a PM or find his post!

It's not about a 'crappy' diet. It's about the deficit he's in. Crappy diets will produce gains only if in a caloric surplus. Otherwise, not even God can make you gain weight.

 

[imdennis]

ive ran medistar before..... not to long ago, within a year, they're test worked good, if shit was under dosed when i wouldn't of slapped on 15 pounds with the cycle, post pics of your vial and ill tell u if its g2g

 

[robbiek426]

It's not about a 'crappy' diet. It's about the deficit he's in. Crappy diets will produce gains only if in a caloric surplus. Otherwise, not even God can make you gain weight.

Absolutely!

 

[bigtimechief]

Get blood work!

 

[Strong Man]

If the lab has rep then its your diet. Did you research the source before you sent them your money? Go get bloods done if you think there is a issue with the gear.

 

[Transporter]

Even with a decent diet running 500 mgs anyone can make legit gains. id get blood work done. only way to give you piece of mind.

I agree as well. With 500mg he would have been able to see something...at least his sex drive would have changed dramatically. Just like everyone says, get blood work done. I suspect it's your gear.

 

[Kazmir]

You need to be careful when choosing what lab to deal with, especially in Canada, there are maybe 5-6 that I would even consider putting in my body. I know people say research, research, research.. What they don't tell you is alot of the hype labs get come from reps, reps with multiple accounts, friends and people with vested interest in the lab. Hell I remember on one well know board there was a complete 10 page discussion and arguement about a certain lab and every single post was made by the labs rep with multiple accounts just to drive attention. Now I am in no way stating thats the issue with your gear but a little bit of reading on multiple boards will give you an idea about your product. The only way is to run it and get blood work done, blood work comes back bad you don't touch the labs shit again plain and simple. If its good stick with the lab don't go searching to save $5 a bottle if what you got works.. Its not rocket science.

Talk to people who have actually used the product you are thinking of and get feedback that way, don't email a source and ask if a product is good, they are salesmen and of course their product is amazing. Just an example I had a friend running 750mgs testE, 500mgs Deca with a 40mg dbol kickstart. 5.5 weeks in he had blood work done as he was not seeing gains, blood work was way low in the 400 range, he contacted the lab in question and their response was to up his dosage of test as it was not enough... Seriously though WTF... Vested interest brother be careful for it and stick with whats tried and true..

 

[Mad- scientist]

Sounds like to me it is under dosed by like 50 percent or more... maybe just enough to show raised testosterone levels on a blood test around the 4 to 6 week mark. Just so they have a excuse to tell some one that its working and that their body just absorbs it slower. And then they will tell you well you are just a not responder or some bull shit. I took test e for about 4 weeks and didn't notice really anything and on about the 5th 6th week BOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!! I blew the fuck up and turned into the hulk. I gained about 15 pounds of lean muscle and was riding a bike 3 to 4 miles a day so it was pretty much all muscle and I lost a lot of fat. I also took winstrol though and I know that increases the strength of the testosterone. I also didn't enjoy 500mgs a week so I bumped it up to 750 at the 2 month mark!

 

[Fieldsy]

I PURPOSELY didnt eat as much as i could just because i didnt want to take my 40 time of a 4.7 to a 5.1 from adding 25 lbs. haha. So i feel like it would be his gear. But i have the best lab in the world, Pinn, so im good.

Like Austinite said, if youre not in a caloric surplus you wont gain weight.

 

[Jonnie187]

I totally agree with the diet being on point if you want to maintain gains and achieve maximum gains from your cycle. I do believe he stated he was not using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) either. With test e you should still be getting a little bloat at least I do. I always gain water weight to.

Something else no one mentioned was how are your strength gains? You should be noticing your strength going through the roof brother. You have mentioned none of these things. IMO you have some seriously under dosed gear or you have some seriously high natural test levels..

 

[liftingwhey8]

You're probably not eating enough. I'm only 3 DAYS into my cycle and I'm 5 lbs heavier. Is that because I did a single shot of test a few days ago? Probably not. It's because I'm eating like a fucking horse every 3 hours to make sure I've got fuel to grow.

 

[tnuc]

train harder eat cleaner

 

[Mad- scientist]

lol Honestly I think unless some one has built a tolerance and done a lot of cycles they are going to grow from 500 mgs of test E a week even if they work out half ass and have a normal diet. Maybe I just respond really good to gear and the people I have known do to. But Ive seen people just take gear and never work out and they gained about 10 pounds. Im about 90 percent certain there has got to be something fucked up with the gear. I just don't see it being possible to not grow from taking that dosage of even 20% under dosed gear. The estrogen build up and water retention should be a dead give away to.