Austinite
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We all agree on that. The problem, even with underdosed gear has to be a caloric deficit. You will not grow in a caloric deficit. Not even with 10 grams of test.
38 Days - Test E Still no results :( What to do?
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We all agree on that. The problem, even with underdosed gear has to be a caloric deficit. You will not grow in a caloric deficit. Not even with 10 grams of test.
Hi everyone, thanks for taking the time to reply. I might stick this out for a another week as Rumpy suggested.. ive nothing to lose at this point I guess. Here are a couple of pics of my test (sorry pics are not best but im not that good with computers and camera). It looks good (professional). product is nice and clear. I did notice the expiry was 05/2014. I expected that it should be better than a year (from what I read somewhere), but maybe I'm wrong.
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Anyway, I feel I'm eating plenty. I'm eating lots spread out over the day. About 5-6 drinks of protein mix (1 scoop each time), eating mostly chicken breasts (about 5-6) a day, brown rice, veggies (which i hate), clean subway subs.. and drinking about 4 litres of water. I do have to admit I'm not "stuffing food in when I'm not hungry", maybe I should be. My bowel movements have definitely increased in number.
I felt a couple of days like I was stronger in the gym and lifting with less effort. My weights are all up a little and I feel like I'm lifting with less strain, but it might just be placebo... because scale says I still weigh the same. I'm not noticing any more real pumps or veins or anything.. A few days it "seemed" like my recovery was better (not as sore). I guess I'm feeling at this point I should be up at least 5 lbs in water weight alone. I feel really warm all the time lately which I read sometimes happens from test.
DW thinks I seem more moody lately.. Maybe I am just a little cranky because I don't feel like this is working. i dunno.
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Anyway, I feel I'm eating plenty. I'm eating lots spread out over the day. About 5-6 drinks of protein mix (1 scoop each time), eating mostly chicken breasts (about 5-6) a day, brown rice, veggies (which i hate), clean subway subs.. and drinking about 4 litres of water. I do have to admit I'm not "stuffing food in when I'm not hungry", maybe I should be. My bowel movements have definitely increased in number.
I felt a couple of days like I was stronger in the gym and lifting with less effort. My weights are all up a little and I feel like I'm lifting with less strain, but it might just be placebo... because scale says I still weigh the same. I'm not noticing any more real pumps or veins or anything.. A few days it "seemed" like my recovery was better (not as sore). I guess I'm feeling at this point I should be up at least 5 lbs in water weight alone. I feel really warm all the time lately which I read sometimes happens from test.
DW thinks I seem more moody lately.. Maybe I am just a little cranky because I don't feel like this is working. i dunno.
Austinite
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That's not a diet oldfeller, it's random eating.
You need to find out what your Total Daily Energy Expenditure is. To do so, you'll need to find out exactly what your body fat percentage is. The best way to do so is by getting a bodpod assessment. Once you have your TDEE, you'll go into a caloric surplus.
I understand you feel that you eat plenty, I'm telling ya, you're not. Otherwise you would gain weight. You're not defying the laws of physics. Even "stuffing food down" is not the solution. Nothing whatsoever matters until you go into a surplus, and you can't do so without knowing your estimated TDEE.
~ If you eat 3000 calories and you burn 3000, you will maintain weight.
~ If you eat 3000 calories and you burn 3500, you will lose weight.
~ If you eat 3000 calories and you burn 2500, you will gain weight.
This has nothing to do with the gear, regardless of legitimacy, the above examples still apply. I would forget about the gear and focus on fixing the diet.
Ok thanks... well I've been training for about 3 years and been at the same body weight although I've build muscle over these years. It just seems lately I've hit a plateau so decided to try a cycle.. I normally do not eat near as much (or as often) as I have been since the start of this cycle and my body weight only fluctuated +/- maybe 5 lbs. so I felt the way I was eating before sustained me at my weight, so when I started eating extra (and cleaner) it should have worked with the test. to build some muscle here. I will look into what you have suggested. thank you
Austinite, why didn't you tell me you never bought into the whole meal timing thing (except for certain circumstances)? I kind of expected it but still surprised to say the least. I think it's love (in a non homo way of course
Kazmir
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Although I agree in this case but as a general statement I would completely disagree, windows can be easily created. SO if the statement would hold true how do you explain using insulin to shuttle nutrients, is this not a window of opportunity in which you create. Peptides, GH, slin and many other supplements are used for this exact reason.
So the question now changes to that of "are you using any peptides, GH, or insulin"? OP says he's on test e only. My second question to you is, if you're NOT using any of the other compounds/supplements, how much of an increased effect do you believe this has over meeting total daily energy intake requirements and macro/micro nutrient needs? And finally my third question to you is, IF purposely trying to induce insulinogenic effects WITHOUT the use of certain compounds because it is important, why is there such a high rate of success with keto diets (void of carbs minus refeed days), Intermittent Fasting, Warrior Diets, etc? Theses types of diets either are devoid of carbs completely or the eating windows are so small that one can only expect a rise in insulin
1-3x/day vs the 6-8 I'm assuming you're referring to. Certain medical conditions can supersede my questions but barring those conditions they're very applicable and important to answer your question.
German89
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I don't think it's come down to meal timing anymore it's now lingered into PEP talk...
And I know for myself. I noticed that if I eat a carb by 10pm and I always have PB before bed. I don't wake up so insomnia like.. I just finally got that this week!! Past few mornings I haven't been in zombie mood..
And I know for myself. I noticed that if I eat a carb by 10pm and I always have PB before bed. I don't wake up so insomnia like.. I just finally got that this week!! Past few mornings I haven't been in zombie mood..
Ok. But the point is that meal frenquency/timing has no effect on body composition ex..3000cals in 3 meals or 3000cals in 5 meals is the same thing. Eating within 1 hour of working out or waiting 3 hours will not yeild any different results. With all that being said...if you are hungry..eat!
I do agree with you for the most part, total energy intake is king but you need to be careful making absolute comments. Nutrient timing can play a difference in body composition the leaner you get. Nutrient timing becomes more important when you're doing a contest prep for instance bc at that low bodyfat levels and that low of food intake it gets progressively harder to mobilize fatty acids while preserving lbm. Now the difference is still minor BUT when you're stepping on stage every little bit counts and the margin between a podium finish and no podium is small. Now the general population really has no need to obsess over minutiae and things that'll make very very slight differences so my recommendation is always to do what's convenient for you and you can be consistent with. There's evidence showing eating less meals helps increase satiety so someone who has trouble eating enough calories may benefit eating 6-8 smaller meals. Someone who has a very busy schedule could benefit from fewer meals.
DexterMorgan
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Daily caloric intake is what important, meal timing isn't. Eating pre-workout, post-workout, not eating after 8 pm., always eating breakfast...., will not benefit your gains at all. Knowing that you hit your macros at the end of the day is what counts.
Austinite
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Why Change the subject? We're discussing macronutrients. You will not have better physical progress whether you intake your macros in 3 meals, or 9 meals.
liftingwhey8
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Here's the bottom line. You should be getting blood work done regularly to monitor hormone levels. That way there will be no guess work and you can dial in dosage of the test and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) accordingly.
my test from medi looked the same
Kazmir
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My answers are in bold red
So the question now changes to that of "are you using any peptides, GH, or insulin"? OP says he's on test e only. First part of my answer - Although I agree in this case
My second question to you is, if you're NOT using any of the other compounds/supplements, how much of an increased effect do you believe this has over meeting total daily energy intake requirements and macro/micro nutrient needs? No where did I mention anything about this I merely stated that Windows of Opportunity can be created using supplements and that was my disagreement with the statement
And finally my third question to you is, IF purposely trying to induce insulinogenic effects WITHOUT the use of certain compounds because it is important, why is there such a high rate of success with keto diets (void of carbs minus refeed days), Intermittent Fasting, Warrior Diets, etc? Theses types of diets either are devoid of carbs completely or the eating windows are so small that one can only expect a rise in insulin
1-3x/day vs the 6-8 I'm assuming you're referring to. Certain medical conditions can supersede my questions but barring those conditions they're very applicable and important to answer your question. -The OP is bulking don't think keto and intermittent fasting have anything to do with anything, no where did I state you need to eat 6-8 times
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