40 years old 1st cycle help please !!

[PharmaFan]

Hi all and thanks in advance for taking the time to look at this and answer.

I'm 40 years old,
6 ft 2, 104 kgs/230 lbs
BF - not sure but I've got a bit around the waist nothing huge though
Diet is as clean as can be - chicken breast/steak, low GI carbs and plenty of greens
Supplements : BSN Syntha 6 am & PW, NO Explode, BSN Cell Mass
Been training on and off since my teens.

looking at this for my 1st cycle :

WK 1 - 12: Test E 800 mg (Alpha Pharma) - 800 due to natural decrease linked to age
WK 1 - 4 : Dianabol 40 mg day
WK 2 - 12: Tamoxifen 25 per day
WK 6 - 12: 3 x Clen 2wk Cycles @ 120 mcg day
WK 8 - 12: Winistrol 50 per day
WK 12 - 14: Nothing
WK 14 - 16: Tamoxifen 40 mg per day
WK 16 - 18: Tamoxifen 20 per day

I know that this looks a bit heavy but my logic is that I'm an older guy with bigger needs !!

I wanted to run Arimidex as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) throughout, but my guy either can't get his hands on any or he owns shares in Tamoxifen

Lastly considering my natural size I'm thinking around the 4 - 5'000 (clean) calorie range per day, 5/6 meals ?

How does this look guys ?

 

[kaname]

Hi all and thanks in advance for taking the time to look at this and answer.

I'm 40 years old,
6 ft 2, 104 kgs/230 lbs
BF - not sure but I've got a bit around the waist nothing huge though
Diet is as clean as can be - chicken breast/steak, low GI carbs and plenty of greens
Supplements : BSN Syntha 6 am & PW, NO Explode, BSN Cell Mass
Been training on and off since my teens.

looking at this for my 1st cycle :

WK 1 - 12: Test E 800 mg (Alpha Pharma) - 800 due to natural decrease linked to age
WK 1 - 4 : Dianabol 40 mg day
WK 2 - 12: Tamoxifen 25 per day
WK 6 - 12: 3 x Clen 2wk Cycles @ 120 mcg day
WK 8 - 12: Winistrol 50 per day
WK 12 - 14: Nothing
WK 14 - 16: Tamoxifen 40 mg per day
WK 16 - 18: Tamoxifen 20 per day

I know that this looks a bit heavy but my logic is that I'm an older guy with bigger needs !!

I wanted to run Arimidex as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) throughout, but my guy either can't get his hands on any or he owns shares in Tamoxifen

Lastly considering my natural size I'm thinking around the 4 - 5'000 (clean) calorie range per day, 5/6 meals ?

How does this look guys ?

Same rules apply even if you're older, although not all for the same reasons. For example starting with one substance (other than your Aromatase inhibitor (AI), post cycle therapy (pct), etc). Should any sides arise it would be nice for you to know where those sides came from. So if you run test by itself, and see that your body handles it well....then introduce dbol on your next cycle and see that your body reacts in some negative way, then you will be able to draw the likely conclusion that it was linked to the dbol. Then you can make a informed decision...do I continue the dbol or do I switched to something like tbol?

That being said many do run a oral kickstarter, so dbol is fine as you have it setup. However for a first cycle I see no point in two orals, let your body deal with what it already has going on.

Lastly 500mg of test a week will put you well beyond what your normal range is suppose to be. You increasing it to 800mg a week will have nothing to do with your age. I recommend using the 500mg and seeing how your body handles that. A standard testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose for a young male would be around 100mg-150mg a week. As you age your test level indeed do decline but that doesn't mean you now require more test than you did when you're younger.

If you can't get hold of a proper A.I., from your current source then stick around and find a new source, as it's always wise to at least have it on hand. I would also pick up some Clomid for post cycle therapy (pct) if possible. Not saying you have to use it as I myself get extremely nauseated from clomid so I have to lower my dose and yes I know some run Nolva during their cycle.

 

[J_Fox23]

Read the stickies bro. I would still recommend 500 mg a week of test e or cyp and at most an oral kickstart. Winiie is harsh on the liver and joints I'd eait on it.Also you can pick up some adex from rui, the board sponsor.

 

[kaname]

Read the stickies bro. I would still recommend 500 mg a week of test e or cyp and at most an oral kickstart. Winiie is harsh on the liver and joints I'd eait on it.Also you can pick up some adex from rui, the board sponsor.

Yea and that ^

I love them and have used many things from them but for some reason I always forget about them when people are looking for their items...

 

[SolomonGrundy]

im cool with you using a higher dose, although 600 feels pretty good, the Nolva on cycle is not good, replace it with an actual Aromatase inhibitor (AI) drug like Aromasin, letro, adex..

at 40 you don't need Winstrol (winny), drop it and if you want replace it with Anavar, much better for you as it increases collagen synthesis

be sure to use the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) meds and when on the Dbol you may require more , adjust accordingly and test blood to be dialed in at 6 week mark

read the Stickys on PCT, you need more in that area

 

[Rumpy]

Everything Solomon said. I would drop the Winstrol (winny) and the clen. You need to decide if you are cutting or bulking, diet will determine this so eat accordingly. I think eating 5000 cals a day while taking clen is a little confused.

Use Nolva and Clomid for PCT and get an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), I like adex. If one guy doesn't have it, look around, maybe google, maybe some big ad at the top of the page.

 

[Hrnyfckr]

All of the above... I say 500 test too. It's more than enough. And since test will be the base of everything you ever run, you will need to know and feel its side effects so you can solve problems later. And there will be problems.
And last... And this is my over 40 experience. Jumping on a 5000cal diet will hurt your digestive system. After 40 your body simply cannot process all that food! I know, I tried, I got colitis! Figure out what your maintenance diet is (go to DIET section on ology) and add 500cals and work your way up from there.

 

[50]

I am 50 I posted a pic of me. I think you going way to big for your first cycle my friend. I wrestled many years and won 3 jiujitsu titles so I have always been in shape. But I have never taken more the 400mg of test and stacked it with Dbol at your level. You going to raise your Blood pressure so much you may go cardiac arrest. 800 mg of test and 40 dbol to start is way to much and since you never have taken AS you going to hurt yourself. Dbol by itself will hulk you out without the Test. then your crash at the end is going to be harsh. Start with half of what you posted drop the Winn use Anavar and read some post on coming off. Read a lot on how too come off . The more you do the harder you will fall my friend. Just to look good in the gym is not worth killing yourself. Start slow and see how you do then think about it on the next cycle so you know how your body handled it.. You will keep more of what you gained if you do it right. So be careful with that..

 

[PharmaFan]

Thanks a lot to all of you guys for your advice. I think that a little more research is in order !!
Again many thanks to all for your time and sound advice,
Nick

 

[Trevdog]

I generally agree with the advice above, although I'm not all that concerned about your test dose so long as you have arimidex or aromosin on hand before you start. Dbol is fine but it does make sense to get a feel for test alone before stacking dbol.

I haven't used winstrol for many years and never will again because it caused injuries. It makes your tendons "brittle". It also wrecked my liver values. I agree that anavar is a better choice. Also, if you finish with an oral, you can use it right up to the day before you start your post cycle therapy (pct). Orals are in and out of your system very fast so you don't want a 2 week period with no real AS in your system before you start your PCT.

 

[PharmaFan]

Thanks for the advice Trevdog!!
I've managed to source some Arimidex to take along side the Test, and will be running Anavar for the last 8 wks right up to PCT.
I could have made some serious health issue mistakes if you guys hadn't of taken the time, so thanks again.

 

[Nightmare007]

Read the stickys

 

[oneforthemoney]

Metabolism plays a small role due to your age, however if you're running all of that, eating won't be a problem. Moreso, I would say TEST TEST TEST for at least 15 weeks.

 

[halfwit]

I am 50 I posted a pic of me. I think you going way to big for your first cycle my friend. I wrestled many years and won 3 jiujitsu titles so I have always been in shape. But I have never taken more the 400mg of test and stacked it with Dbol at your level. You going to raise your Blood pressure so much you may go cardiac arrest. 800 mg of test and 40 dbol to start is way to much and since you never have taken AS you going to hurt yourself. Dbol by itself will hulk you out without the Test. then your crash at the end is going to be harsh. Start with half of what you posted drop the Winn use Anavar and read some post on coming off. Read a lot on how too come off . The more you do the harder you will fall my friend. Just to look good in the gym is not worth killing yourself. Start slow and see how you do then think about it on the next cycle so you know how your body handled it.. You will keep more of what you gained if you do it right. So be careful with that..

Hell of a first post! Good to see another experienced member joining.

Oh, I have nothing to add as it's all be more than covered by everyone else. Great advice all around.

Edit: I lied. I would strongly suggest getting pre-cycle blood work done so you know where you're at NOW. This prevents you from wondering if your cycle hosed up your hormone levels or if you have an underlying issue already.