56 yr old newbie

[wayne9452]

I discovered through lab test my testosterone level is at 330. For the past year I have had no interest in doing much of anything so I went to the doc.
In the past I was a 5 ft 9 in 200 lb hulk; but the years have spread me to 250 of flab(20 lbs of it in the past 6 months). A long time friend was diagnosed with low (250 count) testosterone and is permanently on replacement therapy. According to the guidelines of the VA a 175 count is what they consider low. Anyway my friend gave me just less than a cc of cypiotren and even though I'm not a hundred percent; I feel better than I have in years.. My problem is that the medical community doesn't seem to take the loss of testosterone of us middle and older aged individuals serious enough . I have looked at sites online but there appear to be a lot of scanners out there....
Not that I am looking for info where to buy since my friend can help me one or two more times, and I am going to go to some different docs in hopes that will pan out.. If not I guess I'll have to roll the dice online...
If any of you are familiar with this or have had the same condition I would appreciate any advice...

 

[DADAWG]

I discovered through lab test my testosterone level is at 330. For the past year I have had no interest in doing much of anything so I went to the doc.
In the past I was a 5 ft 9 in 200 lb hulk; but the years have spread me to 250 of flab(20 lbs of it in the past 6 months). A long time friend was diagnosed with low (250 count) testosterone and is permanently on replacement therapy. According to the guidelines of the VA a 175 count is what they consider low. Anyway my friend gave me just less than a cc of cypiotren and even though I'm not a hundred percent; I feel better than I have in years.. My problem is that the medical community doesn't seem to take the loss of testosterone of us middle and older aged individuals serious enough . I have looked at sites online but there appear to be a lot of scanners out there....
Not that I am looking for info where to buy since my friend can help me one or two more times, and I am going to go to some different docs in hopes that will pan out.. If not I guess I'll have to roll the dice online...
If any of you are familiar with this or have had the same condition I would appreciate any advice...

some doctors are much more sympathetic towards HRT than others . also doing a small cycle which will shut you down and then waiting a few weeks for the gear to clear will leave you with very low test levels , a recheck of your bloodwork should qualify you for HRT.

 

[Tapeworm]

If GPs and Endos are unsympathetic, there's always HRT and anti-aging clinics.

 

[wayne9452]

some doctors are much more sympathetic towards HRT than others . also doing a small cycle which will shut you down and then waiting a few weeks for the gear to clear will leave you with very low test levels , a recheck of your bloodwork should qualify you for HRT.

I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean that because I have used that amount that was a small cycle and it will take weeks for it to clear from my system? Or that my test will be lower than when I took it? I have the origional lab results which are only 1 week old. I was hoping a doctor would look at those and take into consideration the amount taken. I do know that one way or anouther I am not going to go back to the condition I was in before. Thanks for your responce..

 

[bribridg]

Make an appointment with a different Doctor. Try and find one that is younger and just tell him what going on. He will probably first suggest Viagra.cialis, etc.......... Be calm and persistant that you have tried these but they do not seem to be the answer. Remind him that things are different with your wife, energy level is down etc...

I never had to go that far but what DADAWG said also makes sense

 

[Juggernaut2148]

Most doctors will say you should be in a range from 200-1000 so seeing how you're sitting at 330 out of a possible 1000 you're doing pretty well honestly. I'm 43 and my number was 330 which I had tested about two months back. However you and I both know if we can take something to get a better number than 330 then why not? Talk to your doc and tell him you'd like to go on HRT. If he refuses then find an anti-aging clinic near you and schedule an appointment, I'm 100% positive they'll have you on HRT before you leave.

 

[GymLift]

You merit TRT. Don't do it yourself. At your age and your levels, it won't be hard to find a physician willing to give you the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) you need. My wife is a nurse and she commented to me that a shitload of her older male patients are now using Androgel.

When you get your testosterone levels, get the testosterone range that goes with it.

 

[wayne9452]

Its hard to understand that if my count is in the "normal" range; why it is that within a day of the injection it was as if I had walked out of the fog and felt normal again..
I'm not sure what DADAWG meant. Is this close? After this first cycle say in 3 or 4 weeks my count will be even lower? Thanks for your responces.....

 

[Juggernaut2148]

Its hard to understand that if my count is in the "normal" range; why it is that within a day of the injection it was as if I had walked out of the fog and felt normal again..
I'm not sure what DADAWG meant. Is this close? After this first cycle say in 3 or 4 weeks my count will be even lower? Thanks for your responces.....

D is saying if you do a short cycle, jump off and then wait a while that when you go in to have your blood work processed your test levels will be even lower to better convince your doctor you need HRT and improve your odds. Honestly I don't think this is necessary based on your age and test levels but if push comes to shove it's not a bad idea.

 

[jaw411]

im 50 and my test/ was 249 i started taking test at 100 per week/deca 100 now im up to 500 per week you can get it on line but beware of scammers and the
DEA/Homeland Security, has a tendancy to take packages once in a while ive lost 10 packages so far and they have yet to come to my home an arrest me. make sure you take an anti esrogen pill or capsule once or twice a week. also getting from a doctor is expensive not covered by insurance unless its a cream and thats not enough to make a differance, you have to buy online the best place is thailand and its the cheapest as for syringes go to *******.com

 

[GymLift]

I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean that because I have used that amount that was a small cycle and it will take weeks for it to clear from my system? Or that my test will be lower than when I took it? I have the origional lab results which are only 1 week old. I was hoping a doctor would look at those and take into consideration the amount taken. I do know that one way or anouther I am not going to go back to the condition I was in before. Thanks for your responce..

appropriate testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) isn't cycled. Find a doctor that will listen to you. If you have symptoms of low testosterone, combined with very-low-normal testosterone, and you benefit from testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), then you should have TRT.

 

[wayne9452]

appropriate testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) isn't cycled. Find a doctor that will listen to you. If you have symptoms of low testosterone, combined with very-low-normal testosterone, and you benefit from testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), then you should have TRT.

Thanks mranak, Do you think I should seek out an MD or go straight to a specialist??

 

[DADAWG]

Thanks mranak, Do you think I should seek out an MD or go straight to a specialist??

tough call . my regular md was pretty good at test/diagnosing/treating me without going to a endo. ive been retested several times over the years and my test levels run in the 600's at 150 mg ew.

 

[wayne9452]

Got my test c ordered, problem is had to get two years worth for a regular TRT. Found a small local gym I will be joining too. Have appointments scheduled and thinking I should have a stress test considering my age and weight.
I truly appreciate all the info you guys have given. All the information in these forums can be a bit overwhelming, but I've learned quite a lot in a short time. Well, enough to know how little I know in these matters. Keep up the good work

 

[wayne9452]

I went to join the gym this afternoon and wouldn't you know it the parking lot is covered with oil for new asphalt. I got the results of yesterdays labs from a new doctor today.. I told him the truth. That I had injected .75cc of test c 2 weeks ago, and that the day before this lab I had injected .50 cc. The results were that my test had increased from 330 three weeks ago to 599 today. My estradiol is at 57. It was not tested on the origional labs. The Dr wants me to suspend any new test c injs and come back in 6 weeks for new labs..
I am leary of this because I know how I felt before and the thought of going back scares the hell out of me. Why can't I just maintain the levels which are normal rather than risk falling into that abyss again?

Test 599
Estradiol 57
HCG quantitative <2
LH 0.3
prolactin 5.6

Does the EL spike like test or should I say, will it come down in a day or two?

 

[wayne9452]

Talked my friend into joining the local Golds Gym. Start Monday. He like I haven't done any weight work since the stone ages: back in 68 and 69 when there were free weights and a bench in high school..
I'm fairly sure it will end up on Americas funniest. You know; turn on a machine and end up going thru the wall..

 

[GymLift]

I went to join the gym this afternoon and wouldn't you know it the parking lot is covered with oil for new asphalt. I got the results of yesterdays labs from a new doctor today.. I told him the truth. That I had injected .75cc of test c 2 weeks ago, and that the day before this lab I had injected .50 cc. The results were that my test had increased from 330 three weeks ago to 599 today. My estradiol is at 57. It was not tested on the origional labs. The Dr wants me to suspend any new test c injs and come back in 6 weeks for new labs..
I am leary of this because I know how I felt before and the thought of going back scares the hell out of me. Why can't I just maintain the levels which are normal rather than risk falling into that abyss again?

Test 599
Estradiol 57
HCG quantitative <2
LH 0.3
prolactin 5.6

Does the EL spike like test or should I say, will it come down in a day or two?

having to wait another 6 weeks is your own fault, but maybe something good will come out of this, like getting the Rx for testosterone that you really need.

 

[wayne9452]

The more I read (and I have been extensively) on this and other forums make me realize that the subject of seroid cycling and or replacement theropy is a science that would take years of study for anyone to be able to completely comprehend. The more I learn the dumber I get. Already ordered test and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) but now wonder if I could get by with legits like AlfaMale or Rev v.
I am going to follow the Drs advice since I he is known to do TRTs. So untill I get a new lab for a base line,I'll stay clear of everything and study. I'll just hope to keep the "fog" at bay.
Joined the local Golds and plan on doing cardios and play with the machines till I get the knack.
I'm so glad you guys are willing to share your experiences and training for those of us who would otherwise be out here stumbling around dangerously in the dark.
How long does it take for the gear to clear? He wants to redo the labs in 6 weeks.

 

[wayne9452]

Winny for HCG?

Haven't been here for a while. I followed your advice and consulted several MDs and I was able to get proper meds which it now turns out is from one of those "clinics" that will sell anything. I am concerned about my latest labs and meds prescribed. Any advice from you guys would be greatly appreciated. (Again)

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My testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) protocal since mid April has been ;

.2cc test c 200mg EOD. =.7cc wk = 140mg/ml
250 ui HCG EOD. = 850ui wk
1 graim Westhroid daily
1 graim Phentermine daily


Dr prescribed (Recieved meds today)

1 Testosterone Cypionate 200mg/ml. 1.5ml/wk IM-----(Too much?)
2 HCG 1 500units/2x wk SQ -------------------------(Too much?)
3 Anastrozole 1cap/eod PO -------------------------(too much?)
4 Stanozolol 50mg 5troche/wk under tongue----------(Dangerous? check my hemo)



Fasting am 8/21/09

glucose,serum -----------------97 mg/dl -----65-99
bun----------------------------13----------- 5-26
creatinine---------------------.94
Sodium -----------------------136 mmo1/L --- 135-145
Potassium ---------------------4.9 --------3.5-5.2
Carbon Dioxide----------------- 21----------20-32
Calcium -----------------------8.7 mg/dl---8.5-10.6
Protein ------------------------6.1 g/dl----6.0-8.5
Albumine-----------------------3.9 --------3.5-5.5
Globuline----------------------2.2---------1.5-4.5
A/G ratio----------------------1.5----------1.1-2.5
Bilirubin total------------------0.6--------- 0.1-1.2

Lipids
Cholesterol ------------------245-- H---- 100-199
triglycerides -----------------71 ----------0-149
HDL Chol ---------------------28 ---L------- >39


Thyroid
TSH --------------------------1.350 -------0.450-4.500
T4 ----------------------------5.4-------- 4.5-12.0
T3 Uptake--------------------- 32----------- 24-39
Free thyroxine index----------- 1.7 ---------1.2-4.9
Free T3----------------------- 3.3 -------2.3-4.2
Immunoassay
Prostate 0.4 0.0-4.0

insuline-like
growth factor I ---------------79---- L ----81-225
Testosterone ----------------1752--- H ----241-827 --------IS THIS INSANE?Should I be concerned?
Free T---------------------- -28.2--- H ----7.2-24.0
LH ---------------------------<0.3--- L ----1.5-9.3
FSH------------------------- <0.3 ---L-----1.4-18.1
Sex horm binding --------------54 ---------23.0-116.3
Estradiol----------------------- 90 ---H ----0-53

I had been feeling so well that I hadn't donated any blood (high hemoglobin) since 3 months ago but did go again the day I had this test drawn.

CBC


WBC --------------------------------8.7-------------- 4.0-10.5
RBC -------------------------------5.69 -------H------- 4.1-5.6
Hemoglobin------------------------ 18.1------- H -------12.5-17.0
Hematocrit------------------------ 55.1 -------H -------36.0-50.0
MCV -------------------------------97 ------------------80-98
MCH -------------------------------31.8 ----------------27-34
MCHC ------------------------------32.8 ----------------32-36
RDW -------------------------------14 ------------------11.7-15
Platelets------------------------- 221----------------- 140-415
Neutrophils----------------------- 4.8 -----------------1.8-7.8
Lymphs---------------------------- 2.9----------------- 0.7-4.5
Monocytes -------------------------0.9 -----------------0.1-1.0

I'm thinking I should set a different protocal. The one he recommended sounds crazy to me.
Any suggestions? Should I follow his script? The numbers on the labs has me worried.

What about.
Reduce to ---.5cc test C a week
-------------850ui HCG a week
reduce to ---.25 Anastrozole EOD----(how could I split the caps? Divide and put in coffee?)1 graim Westhroid daily (untill I get some T3)

 

[Ythrashin]

I think your fine... just give blood regularly...

What did your doc say?