A MUST READ or all of you who use ORALS

LAUNDRYSUPPLIES said:
will you get the same results from eating a grapfruit every morning??

YES.......take your oral gear the same time....along with the grapefruit!

Since most orals are taken 2-3-4 times daily, realize that you might want to compensate a little (less gear) for the times you take an oral w/o grapefruit so your blood levels are consistent.

Make sense?????
 
thefantom1 said:
I'm still waiting on the person who will ask "So how much grapefuit juice should I add to my Test shots to get better absorbstion" My guess is that it will be a Canadian that asks this question...... :)

Well fantom, quit holding out on me!!! How much should I add? :D
 
from "Grapefruit Juice and Drug Interactions"
Jessica R. Oesterheld, M.D.

...Gfj is a competitive and mechanism-based inhibitor, (similar in potency to TAO) of intestinal CYP 3A4 and CYP 3A5 but not of liver CYPs (Schmeidlin-Ren 1997). Inhibition occurs almost immediately if the gfj dose is high enough (e.g., a single glass of reconstituted frozen concentrate inhibits CYP3A4 within the first 4 hours. Schmiedlin-Ren 1997). Drug inhibition can last up to 3 days after gfj intake ceases (Tankanaga 2000a, Tankanga 2000 b).

Different preparations of gfj vary as CYP3A inhibitors. Reconstituted frozen concentrate is generally used in clinical studies, and it is a more potent CYP3A4 inhibitor than fresh gfj because gfj rind (which contains an oil that itself is a potent CYP3A inhibitor) is added to frozen concentrate during processing (Schmiedlin-Ben 1997). White gfj is a more potent inhibitor than pink gfj (Fukuda 2000).

To be significantly effected by gfj, not only must a CYP3A substrate have low bioavailability, but it must have a significant portion metabolized by intestinal CYP3A and/or be a substrate and/or inhibitor of PCP. Conversely, if a known substrate of CYP 3A can be shown be have no significant interaction with gfj, it can be assumed that it is mostly metabolized by hepatic CYPs (e.g., alprazolam Yasui 2000, quinine, Ho 1999). The ability to analyze the relative contributions of liver CYP 3A metabolism, intestinal CYP 3A metabolism and PGP effects to a CYP3A drug-drug interaction is now available by adding gfj as a "knock-out" drug and small bowel biopsy PGP studies to standard bioavailability studies. (Hall 1999).
 
From "Potential Drug Interactions With Grapefruit "

Prescriber's Newsletter--Lead author: William A. Kehoe, Pharm.D., MA, FCCP, BCPS, Scientific Editor
 
Nice! Thats about the extent of info I currently have on orals vs CYP3A4. Ill keep an open eye for any thing I stumble across though.

Actually if your curious I can tell you this. Taking something that will inhibit the CYP3A4 on the malaria drug tryptanthrin, greatly increases drug effectiveness. Important since malaria treatments arent exactly up to date.
 
Judo Tom said:
would grapefruit juice help the effectiveness of ...sorry... oral tren?
Its possible but you have to remember it alters blood levels of different drugs differently...So it can be a blessing or a curse......
 
Judo Tom said:
would grapefruit juice help the effectiveness of ...sorry... oral tren?

We don't really know if it'll work with any oral AS.

..."To be significantly effected by gfj, not only must a CYP3A substrate have low bioavailability, but it must have a significant portion metabolized by intestinal CYP3A and/or be a substrate and/or inhibitor of PCP."
 
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