I've never been very "wowed" by CLA, but I'm interested in Dermatherm. The problem with transdermal fat loss is that most products (in the past) have said that visible results really pertain to people already starting at ow bf%, and just want to shave a bit more off. That made most of the Avant Labs/etc. stuff a poor buying choice for someone like me, with a bit more "chub" on my waist than that. Would DermaTherm be an option for someone with 20%, or is it also advice primarily for people who are already low? All of those before/after photos had guys who already had abs anyway.
Was considering running this with DNP...