Adding DES and PEG MGF to PCT

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AntM1564

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I want to add these two peptides to my PCT. I will be coming off a Test E cycle. I just have a few questions with these compounds.

1. Should I start them in the first week following the last injection or wait the two weeks/ Basically can I run them for 2 weeks pre PCT and 4 weeks during or just go with the 4 weeks PCT?

2. DES I will be injecting 80-100mcg bi-lateral IM. I am going to dose this pre workout. I have read several posts on when to eat though. I have seen to eat at the normal time pre workout and then inject 15-30 minutes before training. Then I have read to inject first then eat 15-30 minutes after that. Is either way correct?

3. PEG MGF should be injected sub q twice a week 250mcg on non-training days first thing in the morning correct? Should I keep the days evenly separated? For example, my off days are Monday, Thursday, and Saturday. Inject on Monday and Thursday?

4. Finally, if I use 1ml of AA to reconstitute with the DES which is 1mg, I will have 1000mcg per ml so for 100mcg I would only go up 10 ticks on the syringe, correct?
 
I would run the two the exact way you have it with the 2 weeks pre-pct then the 4 weeks during. Your reconstitution is correct but don't forget since you're splitting to bilateral it would be 5 ticks per syringe going into each side. I prefer doing 2ml just so it's to the 1 line on each and I don't like AA because it packs a pretty strong bite. Oh and just do the Peg on whatever days you take off from the gym.
 
hard2gain said:
I would run the two the exact way you have it with the 2 weeks pre-pct then the 4 weeks during. Your reconstitution is correct but don't forget since you're splitting to bilateral it would be 5 ticks per syringe going into each side. I prefer doing 2ml just so it's to the 1 line on each and I don't like AA because it packs a pretty strong bite. Oh and just do the Peg on whatever days you take off from the gym.
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How would you run the DES; inject right before the training session or inject prior to eating then lift one hour later?

I've read that about AA. I would love to reconstitute with BA, but from what I've read unless one is going to use all of the DES in a week or two it should be reconstituted with AA.
 
Right before you workout my friend. It's half life is too short to do an hour before. Whoever told you BA will only keep it good for a week is wrong I only use BA
 
you can re con with BAC keep it fridge and have it last about 4 months. very little light.

with .5 ml AA prolly a yr, 1ml AA two yrs. as of recently lots of guys use BAC water only, most use up their 1mg in 20-25 days so it doesnt need to last forever. I just got my large large peptide order today....ive been researching for 3 month on IGF.

you can re con the way you have planned and backload the pins with BAC to reduce the sting. 40/40 is the most you d want to use at once. thats a lot IMO. ive seen logs guys running LR3 at 11 ED. even if you only dose it 3x a wk thats 240 vs his 77. so start 20/20 and go up..............no need to start high with IGF
 
LR3 and DES are two very different animals, and you really can't compare doses.
I prefer 120mcg DES immediately preworkout, and 60-80mcgs split 2x per day w/ LR3.
 
gymrat827 said:
you can re con with BAC keep it fridge and have it last about 4 months. very little light.

with .5 ml AA prolly a yr, 1ml AA two yrs. as of recently lots of guys use BAC water only, most use up their 1mg in 20-25 days so it doesnt need to last forever. I just got my large large peptide order today....ive been researching for 3 month on IGF.

you can re con the way you have planned and backload the pins with BAC to reduce the sting. 40/40 is the most you d want to use at once. thats a lot IMO. ive seen logs guys running LR3 at 11 ED. even if you only dose it 3x a wk thats 240 vs his 77. so start 20/20 and go up..............no need to start high with IGF[/QUOTE]

Great info on the first part but I disagree with your dosing. I say start with 40/40 go up till you find a sweet spot. I personally like 60/60 and have gone all the way up to 100/100. I think it all depends on muscle size.
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yea 200mcg isn't too crazy. I wouldn't suggest any higher though.

What do you think IGF does to organs? If your talking about growth your levels would have to be much higher than this for that my friend.
 
Stone said:
LR3 and DES are two very different animals, and you really can't compare doses.
I prefer 120mcg DES immediately preworkout, and 60-80mcgs split 2x per day w/ LR3.
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i see your point but ive read shit from like 2006 til now. research article after resaerch article. I go 5x past what most would do. all the recent data, which isnt much but most shows you organs will begin growing too. anything thats in the area with DES will grow. muscle grows way more cuz you work it out but being anabolic..........tons of IGF................ anything will grow.

LR3 everything will but i like the fact that going sub q it will travel everywhere throughout the body. again, muscles trained will grow way faster. as long as you dont go too long on either DES or LR3 everything will return to normal or very close to it. but if ya push it too hard and too long those organs will stay that way forever. welcome to a coleman mid section. (well to a much lesser extent but regardless)

i would rather use tren or sky hi doses of other shit that wont give sides that last forever.
 
The thing is HGH in the doses that a lot out there are running it produces a LOT higher IGF levels than taking DES. Someone that is taking 8-10 iu's daily of GH is gonna have almost 4x the IGF levels that I would when taking 200mcg of DES. The only side effect from this dose is keeping blood sugar levels from getting too low. You won't go into a full hypo coma, but you will however start seeing some side effects.
 
Thanks for all of the responses guys. I am going to place my order today or tomorrow. I'm going to go with the BAC water for recon.

One final question. Slin pins at 29g and 1/2 slin pins are fine for IM injection of DES, correct?
 
One more queston that came to me about the PEG MGF, I know it should be injected non workout days in the morning. I do cardio first thing in the morning on those days, should I inject before, wait until after, a certain time after, or it doesn't matter?
 
AntM1564 said:
One more queston that came to me about the PEG MGF, I know it should be injected non workout days in the morning. I do cardio first thing in the morning on those days, should I inject before, wait until after, a certain time after, or it doesn't matter?
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