Advice for New Guy

[360]

Hey everyone,

My name is Michael and I'm new to the board. I've been researching steroids for a couple years now and feel that I am ready for my first cycle. I started training when I was 15 and am now 22. I just wanted to introduce myself and ask a question:

I was told to join this board as I'll have to buy my AAS online and was told this is the place to be in that situation? Can anyone clarify on that? (I know source checks aren't allowed)

I know a lot of you will want to flame me for my age and I understand. If anyone wants to know, I'll be glad to explain why I want to start AAS at 22 y/o. I can also post my diet if requested.

Thanks in advance guys

 

[ethan_andrew]

I don't see anything wrong with using gear at 22. Infact I wish I would have. I would have been built for most of my life instead of just after I was older. I was only 150lbs or less throughout my entire twenties. It wasn't until I was 30 and decided to get serious about using gear consistently that I got in shape. Almost every professional athlete throughout all sports use gear to get an edge and they do it younger than 22. If you are not born with the hormones to cause you to be muscular and built then I don't see anything wrong with filling in for what nature left out. good luck with it

 

[bigherm2121]

I don't see anything wrong with using gear at 22. Infact I wish I would have. I would have been built for most of my life instead of just after I was older. I was only 150lbs or less throughout my entire twenties. It wasn't until I was 30 and decided to get serious about using gear consistently that I got in shape. Almost every professional athlete throughout all sports use gear to get an edge and they do it younger than 22. If you are not born with the hormones to cause you to be muscular and built then I don't see anything wrong with filling in for what nature left out. good luck with it

I disagree with this beacause you cant grow naturally you want to hop on the juice. Because guys want to hurt themselves in the future so be it. But to say to juice cause that's what god left out. Come on. Anyone can use aas, but using it when your hormones aren't matured yet is not gonna lead to a long healthy. Too many people like you are for the now factor and aren't worried about living a long healthy life.

Regardless of age if your natural hormones aren't matured and you replace them with even higher synthetic hormones you can cause serious and permanent damage to your hpta.

 

[brother bundy]

I don't see anything wrong with using gear at 22. Infact I wish I would have. I would have been built for most of my life instead of just after I was older. I was only 150lbs or less throughout my entire twenties. It wasn't until I was 30 and decided to get serious about using gear consistently that I got in shape. Almost every professional athlete throughout all sports use gear to get an edge and they do it younger than 22. If you are not born with the hormones to cause you to be muscular and built then I don't see anything wrong with filling in for what nature left out. good luck with it

thats some shitty advice ethan andrew

 

[juiceyou321]

^^agreed. Your natural test levels are still killer at 22 and you are going to shut natural production down completely on cycle. Like bigherm said, when your natural hormone levels haven't matured and you interrupt their production with potent synthetics it can cause permanent hpta damage. You're gonna do whatever you're gonna do though, so just do as much research as you can before starting to try and minimize risks. BTW ethanandrew, we aren't talking about some small dose like 100mg per week for Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), I don't really consider taking 500+mgs of test or whatever per week "filling in for what nature left out". AAS are a big deal and need to be used with the risks in mind. Not trying to hate, I just think downplaying the seriousness of them to a young guy thinking about starting his first cycle may not be the best approach.

 

[TheFitnessLife4ever]

I don't see anything wrong with using gear at 22. Infact I wish I would have. I would have been built for most of my life instead of just after I was older. I was only 150lbs or less throughout my entire twenties. It wasn't until I was 30 and decided to get serious about using gear consistently that I got in shape. Almost every professional athlete throughout all sports use gear to get an edge and they do it younger than 22. If you are not born with the hormones to cause you to be muscular and built then I don't see anything wrong with filling in for what nature left out. good luck with it

Please don't give any more dumbass advice out. One of the worst pieces of advice you could've given out. You forget that diet is 80% which I highly doubt a 22 yr old guy has mastered let alone the philosophies and methodology of sleeping and training.

 

[TheFitnessLife4ever]

Hold off on the AAS until 25 or so. By then you'll have the knowledge, work ethic, and responsibilty need for gear. Of course we all wish we started gear at 18 or whatever but would you have done it right? Fuck no. There's no right way to do AAS that young because your endocrine hasn't filly developed. Take advantage of those healthy test levels. Dot take them for granted like you seem to be. Some of us weren't blessed to have healthy natural levels and therefore had to work twice as hard. Everyone has the same mentality "I want it now!!" They don't think or give a fuck what happens 10-20yrs down the road. What ever happened to old fashioned work ethic? Wait, our society has morphed in to being lazy and getting used to everything being immediate.

 

[mlupi319]

I don't see anything wrong with using gear at 22. Infact I wish I would have. I would have been built for most of my life instead of just after I was older. I was only 150lbs or less throughout my entire twenties. It wasn't until I was 30 and decided to get serious about using gear consistently that I got in shape. Almost every professional athlete throughout all sports use gear to get an edge and they do it younger than 22. If you are not born with the hormones to cause you to be muscular and built then I don't see anything wrong with filling in for what nature left out. good luck with it

I disagree with this...

I disagree with this beacause you cant grow naturally you want to hop on the juice. Because guys want to hurt themselves in the future so be it. But to say to juice cause that's what god left out. Come on. Anyone can use aas, but using it when your hormones aren't matured yet is not gonna lead to a long healthy. Too many people like you are for the now factor and aren't worried about living a long healthy life.

Regardless of age if your natural hormones aren't matured and you replace them with even higher synthetic hormones you can cause serious and permanent damage to your hpta.

...I agree with this

 

[360]

Hold off on the AAS until 25 or so. By then you'll have the knowledge, work ethic, and responsibilty need for gear. Of course we all wish we started gear at 18 or whatever but would you have done it right? Fuck no. There's no right way to do AAS that young because your endocrine hasn't filly developed. Take advantage of those healthy test levels. Dot take them for granted like you seem to be. Some of us weren't blessed to have healthy natural levels and therefore had to work twice as hard. Everyone has the same mentality "I want it now!!" They don't think or give a fuck what happens 10-20yrs down the road. What ever happened to old fashioned work ethic? Wait, our society has morphed in to being lazy and getting used to everything being immediate.

I appreciate your concern and understand where you're coming from. The reason I wanted to start this early is because I want to compete; not to look good for the beach. I started training when I was 15 and had a shitty diet and horrible training regimen for about two years. Once I started researching proper training and diet I made some awesome gains. But now I've been training for 7 years and not gaining much. I live and die in the squat rack and follow a pretty good diet. Here's what I eat on a bulk:
Meal 1) 4 whole eggs, 4 egg whites, 1 cup oatmeal, 16 oz 2% milk, multivitamin
Meal 2) 2 cans tuna, 2 tspn olive oil
Meal 3) 10 oz chicken breast, 1.5 cups brown rice
Meal 4) 8 oz ground beef, baked potato
Meal 5) 8 oz chicken breast, 2 bananas, Pre-Workout NO2
Meal 6) 10 oz ground beef, 2 cups brown rice, post-workout shake
Meal 7) cottage cheese (as much as I can keep down), 2 tbsp peanut butter

Using this diet I've managed to bulk to 202 lbs at 6'1" (VERY small frame, people usually guess my weight at 220+). It's not that I'm looking for an easy way out. I don't have a problem bulking up, but cutting with natural test levels has proven to be extremely difficult. If I step on stage against everyone else juicing, I know I'll get destroyed. I just wanted to catch up. Again, I appreciate everyone chiming in on this, but is it really true that one test cycle could permanently shut me down? If that's the case, I won't touch the stuff. Thanks for all your help guys.

 

[mlupi319]

Using this diet I've managed to bulk to 202 lbs at 6'1" (VERY small frame, people usually guess my weight at 220+). It's not that I'm looking for an easy way out. I don't have a problem bulking up, but cutting with natural test levels has proven to be extremely difficult. If I step on stage against everyone else juicing, I know I'll get destroyed. I just wanted to catch up. Again, I appreciate everyone chiming in on this, but is it really true that one test cycle could permanently shut me down? If that's the case, I won't touch the stuff. Thanks for all your help guys.

One test cycle will shut you down but it is not permanent given you run a proper post cycle therapy (pct) (post cycle therapy). But chances are you will not return to the level you were previously producing test at. Also there is much speculation that the earlier you start steroids the sooner you will be on TRT...Everyone is different and one of the main goals of this forum is to collaborate on what is the protocol for safe steroids use, the majority consensus is one should wait till they are at least 24 (given they have been dieting/training properly and consistently for at least 3years)

Welcome to Ology

 

[360]

One test cycle will shut you down but it is not permanent given you run a proper post cycle therapy (pct) (post cycle therapy). But chances are you will not return to the level you were previously producing test at. Also there is much speculation that the earlier you start steroids the sooner you will be on TRT...Everyone is different and one of the main goals of this forum is to collaborate on what is the protocol for safe steroids use, the majority consensus is one should wait till they are at least 24 (given they have been dieting/training properly and consistently for at least 3years)

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Thanks for the advice man. I guess I can hold off for a couple more years.

 

[donjob]

your diet definetly seems to be in check, and it looks like you've made some awesome gains naturally man, i'm jealous. i have no doubt you can compete naturally in an amateur competition and place. nothing wrong with going into your first couple of comps and not getting first place man! and while yes, AAS can help while cutting, it helps even more while bulking. cutting is not easy unless you've got a body type like mine (which makes bulking a bitch), but can be done 100% naturally. also there are plenty of other things out there besides AAS to use for cutting, some work even better. hey the money you would've spent on gear, go hire a nutritionist who specializes in body building. better yet, hire 3J. good luck man

p.s. definetly stick around on the boards man, you sound like a guy with a good head on your shoulders, knows how to train and how to eat. learn all you can while you're here and in two years time have a great first cycle

 

[Matt0071]

One test cycle will shut you down but it is not permanent given you run a proper post cycle therapy (pct) (post cycle therapy). But chances are you will not return to the level you were previously producing test at. Also there is much speculation that the earlier you start steroids the sooner you will be on TRT...Everyone is different and one of the main goals of this forum is to collaborate on what is the protocol for safe steroids use, the majority consensus is one should wait till they are at least 24 (given they have been dieting/training properly and consistently for at least 3years)

Welcome to Ology

Bro at any age steroids can put u on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), it all depends if your balls come back to normal or not after post cycle therapy (pct)
age dont matter if your 20 or 45 u just dont know!
One of the risks steroids users take! U can be the healtyiest motherfucker on the planet and still have bad sides from roids bro! proven fact u see it here all the time!
Man u are a steroid user just like me and others on this forum, man i think u should stay natural as u fuckin preach natural shit all the time, u sound like a tree huger!

 

[360]

your diet definetly seems to be in check, and it looks like you've made some awesome gains naturally man, i'm jealous. i have no doubt you can compete naturally in an amateur competition and place. nothing wrong with going into your first couple of comps and not getting first place man! and while yes, AAS can help while cutting, it helps even more while bulking. cutting is not easy unless you've got a body type like mine (which makes bulking a bitch), but can be done 100% naturally. also there are plenty of other things out there besides AAS to use for cutting, some work even better. hey the money you would've spent on gear, go hire a nutritionist who specializes in body building. better yet, hire 3J. good luck man

p.s. definetly stick around on the boards man, you sound like a guy with a good head on your shoulders, knows how to train and how to eat. learn all you can while you're here and in two years time have a great first cycle

Thanks a lot man! I think I'll stick around here a couple years and tweak my diet and training a bit. I guess I can try a show naturally. Unfortunately, I can't really hire a trainer because I pretty much spend all my money on food lol.

 

[donjob]

Thanks a lot man! I think I'll stick around here a couple years and tweak my diet and training a bit. I guess I can try a show naturally. Unfortunately, I can't really hire a trainer because I pretty much spend all my money on food lol.

no problem bro. i hear you about the money situation, food can get expensive. but if you were thinking about using gear, hiring 3J is much cheaper. you would spend easily 150 on the test, i would suggest an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) so there's another 50 there. cost of needles. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is always recommended, that's another 50 to 60 bucks or so.then you have your pct. not to mention liver support and anything else you may need to combat sides such as acne or joint problems. I don't know exactly how much 3J charges but it ain't no where close to what you would have spent for one cycle of steroids.

 

[360]

no problem bro. i hear you about the money situation, food can get expensive. but if you were thinking about using gear, hiring 3J is much cheaper. you would spend easily 150 on the test, i would suggest an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) so there's another 50 there. cost of needles. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is always recommended, that's another 50 to 60 bucks or so.then you have your pct. not to mention liver support and anything else you may need to combat sides such as acne or joint problems. I don't know exactly how much 3J charges but it ain't no where close to what you would have spent for one cycle of steroids.

Thanks man, I'll have to check 3J out.

 

[mlupi319]

Bro at any age steroids can put u on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), it all depends if your balls come back to normal or not after PCT
age dont matter if your 20 or 45 u just dont know!
One of the risks steroids users take! U can be the healtyiest motherfucker on the planet and still have bad sides from roids bro! proven fact u see it here all the time!
Man u are a steroid user just like me and others on this forum, man i think u should stay natural as u fuckin preach natural shit all the time, u sound like a tree huger!

the fuck?

I didn't say age mattered when it comes to the probability of your natty test coming back to normal levels. I said steroids can only hurt your natural production of test--> and since many older males go on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) even without steroids use--> the longer you wait the less you have to lose.

I'm just telling people what's at stake and what could happen...if they wanna go ahead at 20yo and shoot test that's their choice and I don't hate on them for doing so...but as a member it's smart to inform people of the pros and cons

tree huger?...really brahh?

 

[ethan_andrew]

Please don't give any more dumbass advice out. One of the worst pieces of advice you could've given out. You forget that diet is 80% which I highly doubt a 22 yr old guy has mastered let alone the philosophies and methodology of sleeping and training.

Bro what is dumb as fuck is spending your entire twenties looking like mclovin from superbad when instead you could look like arnold schwarzenegger. If you are a guy that has the body of a ten year old girl then no amount of lifting weights and dieting is going to give you a muscular physique. If you can work out and diet and look good and feel good then more power to you. In that case don't use gear. But it's easy for the guy who is two hundred pounds of muscle by working out naturally to say don't use gear until your thirty until you give your body a chance to go as far as it can naturally but put yourself into that skinny wimpy girly 115lb exterior with little drive to exercise, little self esteem, little to no appetite and you will realize that for some guys the only way to ever even start the process of building up their body is going to begin with steroids and without it for some it will never happen. That's why I'm not against it for any fully mature adult male to use if that's what he wants to do. I think it's a good thing. agree or disagree but i think you just don't understand what it's like when nature selects you to be a pussy...

 

[mlupi319]

Bro what is dumb as fuck is spending your entire twenties looking like mclovin from superbad when instead you could look like arnold schwarzenegger. If you are a guy that has the body of a ten year old girl then no amount of lifting weights and dieting is going to give you a muscular physique. If you can work out and diet and look good and feel good then more power to you. In that case don't use gear. But it's easy for the guy who is two hundred pounds of muscle by working out naturally to say don't use gear until your thirty until you give your body a chance to go as far as it can naturally but put yourself into that skinny wimpy girly 115lb exterior with little drive to exercise, little self esteem, little to no appetite and you will realize that for some guys the only way to ever even start the process of building up their body is going to begin with steroids and without it for some it will never happen. That's why I'm not against it for any fully mature adult male to use if that's what he wants to do. I think it's a good thing. agree or disagree but i think you just don't understand what it's like when nature selects you to be a pussy...

FUCK EXCUSES

I went from 5'8 215lbs PURE FAT to 5'8 145lbs SKIN n BONES. currently sitting @ 170lbs 10%bf---> FUCKING EAT HEALTHY AND LIFT HEAVY SHIT---> Don't get me wrong gear is great but to make excuses like that are for pussies and no amount of gear will ever transform your mindset to where it needs to be i.e. believing in yourself and not making excuses to get out of putting in the blood, sweat, and tears. I was born and raised to be fat, scrawny, short, slow, and weak..but I can out work lazy bitches with natural talent--> that's my mindset

 

[TheFitnessLife4ever]

Bro what is dumb as fuck is spending your entire twenties looking like mclovin from superbad when instead you could look like arnold schwarzenegger. If you are a guy that has the body of a ten year old girl then no amount of lifting weights and dieting is going to give you a muscular physique. If you can work out and diet and look good and feel good then more power to you. In that case don't use gear. But it's easy for the guy who is two hundred pounds of muscle by working out naturally to say don't use gear until your thirty until you give your body a chance to go as far as it can naturally but put yourself into that skinny wimpy girly 115lb exterior with little drive to exercise, little self esteem, little to no appetite and you will realize that for some guys the only way to ever even start the process of building up their body is going to begin with steroids and without it for some it will never happen. That's why I'm not against it for any fully mature adult male to use if that's what he wants to do. I think it's a good thing. agree or disagree but i think you just don't understand what it's like when nature selects you to be a pussy...

Mclovin? If you know what the fuck your doing you can look decently good without AAS. It is my belief that any man with a set of balls can get to atleat 180-200lbs naturally. That simple. AAS is for advanced bodybuilders and athletes. Not for 120lb kids. In fact of your that frail and weak and can't get results then find another sport because bodybuildings not for you.