ManOfMuscle
Death Dealer
How are they going to make money with free shows? They have to pay Fedor with something.
Affliction 2: January 24, 2009
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CaptainAwesome
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how does any show make money on "free" television? advertising. when they get popular enough then they can do PPV events.
It is tough competing against the UFC. UFC has been around for a long time, they run TUF, and brand name is all over the place. They have a huge following because everyone associates MMA with UFC.
Affliction started off as a clothing company and sure they have some big names, Jow Blow MMA fan doesn't know or care who the fuck Fedor is. Big deal he beat Sylvia in 36 secs. Sylvia hasn't put on an exciting fight in years. Barnett hasn't done much in North America and his only big wins (in the UFC) were well before MMA and UFC were main stream.
I don't know how Affliction plans to compete with UFC, but with huge pay days they need to rake in the PPV buys or they will fold like every other company.
Affliction started off as a clothing company and sure they have some big names, Jow Blow MMA fan doesn't know or care who the fuck Fedor is. Big deal he beat Sylvia in 36 secs. Sylvia hasn't put on an exciting fight in years. Barnett hasn't done much in North America and his only big wins (in the UFC) were well before MMA and UFC were main stream.
I don't know how Affliction plans to compete with UFC, but with huge pay days they need to rake in the PPV buys or they will fold like every other company.
ManOfMuscle
Death Dealer
But when Affliction's problem is exposure the advertising companies aren't going to pay big bucks to them yet. Once they have established their name maybe. You're trying to do it backwards.
CaptainAwesome
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i think the opposite. the advertisers will pay big bucks when they get people to watch. i think by going the PPV route, they arent going to get much attention. if they got with a network first and grew their fan base then they could capitalize with PPV.
at least that seems like a logical way of doing it. ufc exploded when they got a show on regular free tv.
Tsaunders
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ManOfMuscle
Death Dealer
I was looking forward to seeing Horodecki fight.
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getfitdoc
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I was at the fight.
Fedor is very fast, and so relaxed in the ring. when he takes a punch he totally relaxes, it was interesting to see it in person.
Andre really looked great, his guard was tough for fedor to get through, fedor only really landed 1 solid shot before the KO punch, it was a body shot, because andre was blocking and dodging all fedors other attempts.
Andre looked hesitant when he went for that flying knee thing he does, I think he really thought fedor was hurt. Fedor took that front push kick in such a relaxed fashion that andre seemed to think he had him stunned, so he went in for the flying knee, and he was probably going to try to follow the knee with his flurry of punches,,, but fedor timed the punch perfectly, it happened so fast.
I'm so happy i got a chance to see fedor fight, I think he's the best out there, I hope we get a chance to see if he can beat the ufc's current top group.
And matt lindland was on the matt forEVER! he was 100% out of it, it was freaky to watch him wobble around in his ring on his back still trying to fight.
Fedor is very fast, and so relaxed in the ring. when he takes a punch he totally relaxes, it was interesting to see it in person.
Andre really looked great, his guard was tough for fedor to get through, fedor only really landed 1 solid shot before the KO punch, it was a body shot, because andre was blocking and dodging all fedors other attempts.
Andre looked hesitant when he went for that flying knee thing he does, I think he really thought fedor was hurt. Fedor took that front push kick in such a relaxed fashion that andre seemed to think he had him stunned, so he went in for the flying knee, and he was probably going to try to follow the knee with his flurry of punches,,, but fedor timed the punch perfectly, it happened so fast.
I'm so happy i got a chance to see fedor fight, I think he's the best out there, I hope we get a chance to see if he can beat the ufc's current top group.
And matt lindland was on the matt forEVER! he was 100% out of it, it was freaky to watch him wobble around in his ring on his back still trying to fight.
- Fedor Emelianenko def. Andrei Arlovski by KO (Punch) at 3:14, R1
-Josh Barnett def. Gilbert Yvel by Submission (Strikes) at 3:05, R3
-Vitor Belfort def. Matt Lindland by KO (Punch) at :37, R1
-Renato "Babalu" Sobral def. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou by Submission (D'Arce Choke) at 2:36, R2
-Paul Buentello def. Kiril Sidelnikov by TKO (Doctor Stoppage) at 4:18, R3
-Dan Lauzon def. Bobby Green by Submission (Rear Naked Choke) at 4:55, R1
Swing bout, took place after main event:
Jay Hieron def. Jason High by KO (Punch) at 1:04, R1
-Josh Barnett def. Gilbert Yvel by Submission (Strikes) at 3:05, R3
-Vitor Belfort def. Matt Lindland by KO (Punch) at :37, R1
-Renato "Babalu" Sobral def. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou by Submission (D'Arce Choke) at 2:36, R2
-Paul Buentello def. Kiril Sidelnikov by TKO (Doctor Stoppage) at 4:18, R3
-Dan Lauzon def. Bobby Green by Submission (Rear Naked Choke) at 4:55, R1
Swing bout, took place after main event:
Jay Hieron def. Jason High by KO (Punch) at 1:04, R1
AFFLICTION "DAY OF RECKONING" DISCLOSED FIGHTER PAYROLL: $3,308,000
MAIN EVENT FIGHTERS
– Fedor Emelianenko $300,000 (no win bonus) def. Andre Arlovski $1,500,000 (win bonus would have been $250,000)
MAIN CARD FIGHTERS
– Josh Barnett $500,000 (no win bonus) def. Gilbert Yvel $30,000 (win bonus would have been $9,300)
– Vitor Belfort $200,000 (includes $80,000 win bonus) def. Matt Lindland $225,000 (win bonus would have been $75,000)
– Renato "Babalu" Sobral $90,000 (includes $30,000 win bonus) def. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou $50,000 (win bonus would have been $50,000)
– Paul Buentello $90,000 (includes $20,000 win bonus) def. Kiril Sidelnikov $10,000 (win bonus would have been $25,000)
– Dan Lauzon $12,000 (no win bonus) def. Bobby Green $4,000 (win bonus would have been $4,000)
PRELIMINARY CARD FIGHTERS
– Jay Hieron $45,000 (includes $25,000 win bonus) def. Jason High $10,000 (win bonus would have been $5,000)
– Antonio Rogerio Nogueira $150,000 (includes $30,000 win bonus) def. Vladimir Matyushenko $50,000 (win bonus would have been $30,000)
– L.C. Davis $14,000 (includes $7,000 win bonus) def. Bao Quach $7,000 (win bonus would have been $6,000)
– Albert Rios $6,000 (includes $3,000 win bonus) def. Antonio Duarte $3,000 (win bonus would have been $2,000)
– Brett Cooper $10,000 (includes $5,000 win bonus) def. Patrick Speight $2,000 (win bonus would have been $3,000)
MAIN EVENT FIGHTERS
– Fedor Emelianenko $300,000 (no win bonus) def. Andre Arlovski $1,500,000 (win bonus would have been $250,000)
MAIN CARD FIGHTERS
– Josh Barnett $500,000 (no win bonus) def. Gilbert Yvel $30,000 (win bonus would have been $9,300)
– Vitor Belfort $200,000 (includes $80,000 win bonus) def. Matt Lindland $225,000 (win bonus would have been $75,000)
– Renato "Babalu" Sobral $90,000 (includes $30,000 win bonus) def. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou $50,000 (win bonus would have been $50,000)
– Paul Buentello $90,000 (includes $20,000 win bonus) def. Kiril Sidelnikov $10,000 (win bonus would have been $25,000)
– Dan Lauzon $12,000 (no win bonus) def. Bobby Green $4,000 (win bonus would have been $4,000)
PRELIMINARY CARD FIGHTERS
– Jay Hieron $45,000 (includes $25,000 win bonus) def. Jason High $10,000 (win bonus would have been $5,000)
– Antonio Rogerio Nogueira $150,000 (includes $30,000 win bonus) def. Vladimir Matyushenko $50,000 (win bonus would have been $30,000)
– L.C. Davis $14,000 (includes $7,000 win bonus) def. Bao Quach $7,000 (win bonus would have been $6,000)
– Albert Rios $6,000 (includes $3,000 win bonus) def. Antonio Duarte $3,000 (win bonus would have been $2,000)
– Brett Cooper $10,000 (includes $5,000 win bonus) def. Patrick Speight $2,000 (win bonus would have been $3,000)
CaptainAwesome
Pres. of Natty Fan Club
id be curious to know what the payroll is for a ufc card but ultimately i dont care about them
I've seen some UFC card payouts and also have heard what one has gotten paid through a former Instructor; Affliction's payouts are much higher for sure.
Here is the payouts from UFC 92:
Rashad Evans: $130,000 (including $65,000 bonus)
Forrest Griffin: $100,000
Frank Mir: $90,000 (including $45,000 bonus)
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira: $250,000
Quinton Jackson: $325,000 (including $100,000 bonus)
Wanderlei Silva: $200,000
CB Dollaway: $20,000 (including $10,000 bonus)
Mike Massenzio: $5,000
Cheick Kongo: $90,000 (including $45,000 bonus)
Mustapha al Turk: $7,000
Yushin Okami: $32,000 (including $16,000 bonus)
Dean Lister: $19,000
Antoni Hardonk: $28,000 (including $14,000 bonus)
Mike Wessel: $4,000
Matt Hamill: $20,000 (including $10,000 bonus)
Reese Andy: $15,000
Brad Blackburn: $14,000 (including $7,000 bonus)
Ryo Chonan: $18,000
Patrick Barry: $10,000 (including $5,000 bonus)
Dan Evensen: $4,000
Total Payout: $1,381,000
UFC 92 “The Ultimate 2008” had a sellout crowd of 14,103 fans and which pulled in a live gate of $3.47 million. Do not know what the PPV amount was but would be huge. I paid $55 to watch it.
UFC 92 Fighter Bonuses
Fight of the Night: Rashad Evans and Forrest Griffin earned 60k each
KO of the Night: Quinton “Rampage” Jackson earned 60k
Submission of the Night: Was Not Awarded
Here is the payouts from UFC 92:
Rashad Evans: $130,000 (including $65,000 bonus)
Forrest Griffin: $100,000
Frank Mir: $90,000 (including $45,000 bonus)
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira: $250,000
Quinton Jackson: $325,000 (including $100,000 bonus)
Wanderlei Silva: $200,000
CB Dollaway: $20,000 (including $10,000 bonus)
Mike Massenzio: $5,000
Cheick Kongo: $90,000 (including $45,000 bonus)
Mustapha al Turk: $7,000
Yushin Okami: $32,000 (including $16,000 bonus)
Dean Lister: $19,000
Antoni Hardonk: $28,000 (including $14,000 bonus)
Mike Wessel: $4,000
Matt Hamill: $20,000 (including $10,000 bonus)
Reese Andy: $15,000
Brad Blackburn: $14,000 (including $7,000 bonus)
Ryo Chonan: $18,000
Patrick Barry: $10,000 (including $5,000 bonus)
Dan Evensen: $4,000
Total Payout: $1,381,000
UFC 92 “The Ultimate 2008” had a sellout crowd of 14,103 fans and which pulled in a live gate of $3.47 million. Do not know what the PPV amount was but would be huge. I paid $55 to watch it.
UFC 92 Fighter Bonuses
Fight of the Night: Rashad Evans and Forrest Griffin earned 60k each
KO of the Night: Quinton “Rampage” Jackson earned 60k
Submission of the Night: Was Not Awarded
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CaptainAwesome
Pres. of Natty Fan Club
interesting, affliction may not be around for too long.
i wonder at what point are fighters able to earn enough that they can commit full time to fighting and not need to have a full time job in addition. matt hamill seems like a pretty well known fighter but 20k a fight isnt much to live on.
i wonder at what point are fighters able to earn enough that they can commit full time to fighting and not need to have a full time job in addition. matt hamill seems like a pretty well known fighter but 20k a fight isnt much to live on.
I know that Affliction's goal to get fighters was to pay quite a bit more; and this obviously proves it. Regardless it seems that fighters currently still are striving to be in the UFC; perhaps because more coverage? Will this change as Affliction grows bigger or will Affliction end up folding because paying too much out to the fighters? It will be interesting to see over time.
CaptainAwesome
Pres. of Natty Fan Club
i would think marketing is a huge expense and critical to keeping the organization in peoples minds. you spend the money on fighters and not marketing the organization then they will probably fail.
ManOfMuscle
Death Dealer
I hate how people are making it out to be like Fedor was rocked by Arlovski and almost ko'd. He wasn't even hurt.
Mudge
Community Veteran
That pic has me ROFLMFAO
