Alexy lesukov and lorenzo Becker
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Austinite
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yup. who cares.
MentzerIsGOD
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against a popular opinion on this forum ill say that the age doesnt matter...
yes - there are sides to all the drugs, and possible future risks... but then again - there are sides and possible future risks to things like - low testosterone, high cholesterol, weak heart, obesity and other stuff that just comes to you natural as you grow old...
i like to view this thing from this point of view : a dude dies from a heart dissease at 55 and hes a bodybuilder on roids, so everyone blames roids, right? no one says shit when 10 other people same age die from same cause every other day, so - what makes anyone think that the bodybuilder dude died cause of steroids? maybe he could have died same way without steroids or ever lifting a dumbbell...
there are very little sides and risks from steroid use that can be linked ONLY to steroids... every health risk and cause of death that is linked to steroids can be found in hospitals and society in people who have never done steroids...
about the young bodybuilders thou, i think they all will burn out fast and prolly lose their potential as pro bodybuilders in their late 20's or early 30's...
as far as health and fitness lifestyle goes - i dont think they are at any more risk than random smoker, alcohol drinker, club-party dude who will become fat when he gets older.
yes - there are sides to all the drugs, and possible future risks... but then again - there are sides and possible future risks to things like - low testosterone, high cholesterol, weak heart, obesity and other stuff that just comes to you natural as you grow old...
i like to view this thing from this point of view : a dude dies from a heart dissease at 55 and hes a bodybuilder on roids, so everyone blames roids, right? no one says shit when 10 other people same age die from same cause every other day, so - what makes anyone think that the bodybuilder dude died cause of steroids? maybe he could have died same way without steroids or ever lifting a dumbbell...
there are very little sides and risks from steroid use that can be linked ONLY to steroids... every health risk and cause of death that is linked to steroids can be found in hospitals and society in people who have never done steroids...
about the young bodybuilders thou, i think they all will burn out fast and prolly lose their potential as pro bodybuilders in their late 20's or early 30's...
as far as health and fitness lifestyle goes - i dont think they are at any more risk than random smoker, alcohol drinker, club-party dude who will become fat when he gets older.
kaname
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Your opinion doesn't matter, nor does mine. This forum doesn't promote or even hint to condone underage usage. A thread like this is pointless, and doesn't even serve to entertain in the slightest.
1) strawman argument. So why put yourself or someone else for that matter (a child mind you, someone who isn't even old enough to vote yet or just past that age) in a situation that exacerbates said problems? If those issues happen anyway, why tempt the devil and risk increasing probability of them happening?
2) they do say shit. They say heart disease is the number one killer in America and ppl age 55 or over are at a very increased risk to develop complications related to heart disease. Furthermore they advise you to STOP OR LIMIT lifestyle factors that can negatively affect these health risks. The guy in your example probably could have died from the same cause even without AAS but refer back to bullet 1, why increase said risk, ESPECIALLY in regards to the underaged and underdeveloped.
3) strawman argument and therefore invalid to use as a defense. It doesn't matter if ppl die from same complications or not, there's only a certain amount of things that can kill you, it's not like AAS has to find new and unchartered territory in regards to cause of death. Also refer back to bullet 1 again and increased risk for the young.
4) another strawman argument. Plus it doesn't matter when they burn out the damage has already been done to an extent that is difficult if not damn near impossible to determine. Do you see anyone on here advocating alcohol abuse, tobacco use or the party scene? Did not think so. There's a reason there are groups like MADD, anti-tobacco campaigns, and the like. We're on an AAS board so we advocate in terms of AAS and its use WITHIN REASON. 99% of the time an18yo wants to use AAS is bc they either are positive they want to be pro BB'ers (which usually changes after they realize how hard it is), they think they've hit genetic potential (which is usually after 2yrs of training), they think their diet is perfect (but have no clue as to macro/caloric intake and couldn't tell you what TDEE was).
halfwit
I like turtles.
Not to mention crazy genetics. Alexey is stupid huge even for long term AAS usage. I hate how kids see these guys and think that steroids will magically make them as big, when it's just not in the cards for them. I've read his blog and he noticed stretch marks when he first hit puberty and was natural. I don't condone young use, but he's an example of fantastic alien-like genetics combined with hormone use and dedication.
Austinite
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I don't understand the majority of your ramblings, but you should go to a forum where your views are the popular opinion.
Austinite
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No one is going to email you.
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Thanks Mr. P!
ChaseTheYoke
Half Man, Half Amazing
The guy is just spamming threads and it always leads to him asking someone to email him, most probably for a source. Someone rip him off about 500$ and he'll probably learn his lesson.
TheWalkingDead
Farmers Walk
I have been keeping an eye out at the up and coming bodybuilders and had caught a few pics of Alexey Lesukov a few years back all the way up to today. He does indeed have a very impressive physique, and though I don't know how he will do in the IFBB, I have to admit that he has great potential.
MentzerIsGOD
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you seem to be forgeting the fact that people in bodybuilding dont use steroids for health benefits.
if youre a bodybuilder and you take steroids you take a risk... but its the same with skateboarding - you can break a neck and die.. same with autosports or even parties and massive drinking or drug use.
in case of bodybuilding, yes - steroids do increase some chances of getting this and that disease, but it also reduces some other risks that other peoples lifestyles increase.
no one lives forever and almost no one stays healthy till he dies...
one just does not simply use steroids and actually think that doing this and that shit after the cycle will make him super healthy again...
so why do you even worry about that? wanna be healty, stick to gardening but be careful not to breath in those chemicals people use for their grass and flovers.
MentzerIsGOD
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why so nazi? does it pisses you off that someone has any different views on some shit? do you really think you know it all and only your way is the right way? even if so, you should be open to different opinions or if not, why bother saying smth worthless and offensive?
Austinite
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I really have a hard time understanding you. What?
I actually didn't forget and testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) in bodybuilding and the general population IS a health benefit.
Once again your post is filled with strawman arguments and reductio ad absurdum (appeal to extreme fallacy) fallacies. There's not much to say besides you still don't get it.
