am i to old

[graham58]

hi iwas into bodybuilding in a big way about 20 years ago.iwas taking steriods,think i did about 4 cycles.i remember that during my cycle i could feel the difference while on the the cycle,in terms of size and strength
i got back into bodybuilding about 2 years ago ,i have just finished a cycle of 12 weeks and hav,nt seen any gains in either.6 weeks 50mg ed dianabol, 400mg ew deca,600mg test e ew,25 ml proviron ed including Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and dostinex, 2x250iu ew hcg .my diet is good and i know the gear is ok.any thoughts am i too old,why no gains ps there is nothing with my training routine

 

[PinnHead]

hi iwas into bodybuilding in a big way about 20 years ago.iwas taking steriods,think i did about 4 cycles.i remember that during my cycle i could feel the difference while on the the cycle,in terms of size and strength
i got back into bodybuilding about 2 years ago ,i have just finished a cycle of 12 weeks and hav,nt seen any gains in either.6 weeks 50mg ed dianabol, 400mg ew deca,600mg test e ew,25 ml proviron ed including Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and dostinex, 2x250iu ew hcg .my diet is good and i know the gear is ok.any thoughts am i too old,why no gains ps there is nothing with my training routine

Sounds like fake gear

 

[graham58]

Your too old, get over it. tool

nothing to get over,was just looking for a more educated response

 

[Hrnyfckr]

Hello Graham..... Welcome to Ology!

First thing I wanna say is: "age is just a number!" But that having been said, we play a numbers game here. We often measure gains by a number on the scale. And to really begin to help you we need to know your stats, not just what you're using.
I'm 52 year young. I have a body that most 20 year olds would love to have. But more important, is that, according to the numbers on my test results, my doctor has said that I do have a 20 year old body. He is amazed at what I have achieved since I turned 50. He says I'm THE healthiest male in his practice--- of any age! I live in NYC and here you'll find many men our age in similar physical condition. A hyper-competitive environment does wonders to "steel your resolve."
Also to note, I have incredible genetics for holding back time. My father, for example, did not age perceptively at all until he turned 75.
So, can you expect big growth at our age, even if all your ducks are in a row?
Unfortunately, in my very humble experience, I gotta say the answer is NO. Actual gains are hard to come by after 50.... Don't know why, medically. But many things happen as we age. Our bodies are out of the growth game. We no longer digest food efficiently. Our digestive systems have become "sensitive" to food allergies. We don't produce the proper enzymes for digestion. And our aging cells have become, with time, more insulin resistant. Diet is at least 80% of this game. The deck becomes stacked against you with time.
Using gear I find not to be a problem for the most part. I would avoid EQ like the plague, however. Far too many possible blood issues there. Risking a high hemocrit level and "thick" blood pushing through aging organs is just not worth the risk! I like tren/test/mast to achieve lean gains. Even with tren sides, I feel better on it than on EQ! I don't sleep for long stretches anymore anyways, so I hardly notice "tren-somnia."
All that said, I still make gains. I've just learned to be patient
And persistant. Learn quickly what your body needs food-wise. DO NOT use massive doses of steroids. More, I have found out, is NOT better. Be reasonable and moderate-- no more than 1g total. Keep your cycles short... No more than 12 weeks at a time. And adjust your expectations during PCT.... You probably have low natty T at this point anyway. Don't expect that cycling will help that. I still cycle instead of blasting and cruising.... But I'm starting to re-think that.
So yes.... Stay in the game.... It's fun. Simply re-define what the word, "gains," can mean. I'm happy to simply look great. I'll never be massive. I'm more concerned with the numbers on my bloodwork reports than the numbers on the scale.

 

[graham58]

Sounds like fake gear

no the gear i get is fine thanks

 

[graham58]

Hello Graham..... Welcome to Ology!

First thing I wanna say is: "age is just a number!" But that having been said, we play a numbers game here. We often measure gains by a number on the scale. And to really begin to help you we need to know your stats, not just what you're using.
I'm 52 year young. I have a body that most 20 year olds would love to have. But more important, is that, according to the numbers on my test results, my doctor has said that I do have a 20 year old body. He is amazed at what I have achieved since I turned 50. He says I'm THE healthiest male in his practice--- of any age! I live in NYC and here you'll find many men our age in similar physical condition. A hyper-competitive environment does wonders to "steel your resolve."
Also to note, I have incredible genetics for holding back time. My father, for example, did not age perceptively at all until he turned 75.
So, can you expect big growth at our age, even if all your ducks are in a row?
Unfortunately, in my very humble experience, I gotta say the answer is NO. Actual gains are hard to come by after 50.... Don't know why, medically. But many things happen as we age. Our bodies are out of the growth game. We no longer digest food efficiently. Our digestive systems have become "sensitive" to food allergies. We don't produce the proper enzymes for digestion. And our aging cells have become, with time, more insulin resistant. Diet is at least 80% of this game. The deck becomes stacked against you with time.
Using gear I find not to be a problem for the most part. I would avoid EQ like the plague, however. Far too many possible blood issues there. Risking a high hemocrit level and "thick" blood pushing through aging organs is just not worth the risk! I like tren/test/mast to achieve lean gains. Even with tren sides, I feel better on it than on EQ! I don't sleep for long stretches anymore anyways, so I hardly notice "tren-somnia."
All that said, I still make gains. I've just learned to be patient
And persistant. Learn quickly what your body needs food-wise. DO NOT use massive doses of steroids. More, I have found out, is NOT better. Be reasonable and moderate-- no more than 1g total. Keep your cycles short... No more than 12 weeks at a time. And adjust your expectations during PCT.... You probably have low natty T at this point anyway. Don't expect that cycling will help that. I still cycle instead of blasting and cruising.... But I'm starting to re-think that.
So yes.... Stay in the game.... It's fun. Simply re-define what the word, "gains," can mean. I'm happy to simply look great. I'll never be massive. I'm more concerned with the numbers on my bloodwork reports than the numbers on the scale.

hi and thanks for the reply,thats more the type of responce i was looking for.firstly i,m not some cragy old fart and i look a good ten years younger than i am.my stats are im 55 years old 5.8 tall and weigh about 95 kilos my body fat is about 20 percent.my chest expanded is 50 inchs and my bicep is 17 inch. my bench is 4x10 reps with 100kilos and leg press 4x20 with 220 kilos all good form,so that gives you a picture of who i am ps i still have all my hair and teeth.the answer is what i was looking for,so the older we get the less gains we get from using steriods. i am cruising between cycles ,this is my second cycle so far ,because as you say my natural test level insnt what it used to be ,so i take 100 mg a week test e when off cycle.also i was thinking of taking tren for my next cycle,was thinking about 250 mg plus about 100 mg of test e just to maintain my test level.thanks graham

 

[graham58]

Hello Graham..... Welcome to Ology!

First thing I wanna say is: "age is just a number!" But that having been said, we play a numbers game here. We often measure gains by a number on the scale. And to really begin to help you we need to know your stats, not just what you're using.
I'm 52 year young. I have a body that most 20 year olds would love to have. But more important, is that, according to the numbers on my test results, my doctor has said that I do have a 20 year old body. He is amazed at what I have achieved since I turned 50. He says I'm THE healthiest male in his practice--- of any age! I live in NYC and here you'll find many men our age in similar physical condition. A hyper-competitive environment does wonders to "steel your resolve."
Also to note, I have incredible genetics for holding back time. My father, for example, did not age perceptively at all until he turned 75.
So, can you expect big growth at our age, even if all your ducks are in a row?
Unfortunately, in my very humble experience, I gotta say the answer is NO. Actual gains are hard to come by after 50.... Don't know why, medically. But many things happen as we age. Our bodies are out of the growth game. We no longer digest food efficiently. Our digestive systems have become "sensitive" to food allergies. We don't produce the proper enzymes for digestion. And our aging cells have become, with time, more insulin resistant. Diet is at least 80% of this game. The deck becomes stacked against you with time.
Using gear I find not to be a problem for the most part. I would avoid EQ like the plague, however. Far too many possible blood issues there. Risking a high hemocrit level and "thick" blood pushing through aging organs is just not worth the risk! I like tren/test/mast to achieve lean gains. Even with tren sides, I feel better on it than on EQ! I don't sleep for long stretches anymore anyways, so I hardly notice "tren-somnia."
All that said, I still make gains. I've just learned to be patient
And persistant. Learn quickly what your body needs food-wise. DO NOT use massive doses of steroids. More, I have found out, is NOT better. Be reasonable and moderate-- no more than 1g total. Keep your cycles short... No more than 12 weeks at a time. And adjust your expectations during PCT.... You probably have low natty T at this point anyway. Don't expect that cycling will help that. I still cycle instead of blasting and cruising.... But I'm starting to re-think that.
So yes.... Stay in the game.... It's fun. Simply re-define what the word, "gains," can mean. I'm happy to simply look great. I'll never be massive. I'm more concerned with the numbers on my bloodwork reports than the numbers on the scale.

hi and thanks for the reply,thats more the type of responce i was looking for.firstly i,m not some cragy old fart and i look a good ten years younger than i am.my stats are im 55 years old 5.8 tall and weigh about 95 kilos my body fat is about 20 percent.my chest expanded is 50 inchs and my bicep is 17 inch. my bench is 4x10 reps with 100kilos and leg press 4x20 with 220 kilos all good form,so that gives you a picture of who i am ps i still have all my hair and teeth.the answer is what i was looking for,so the older we get the less gains we get from using steriods. i am cruising between cycles ,this is my second cycle so far ,because as you say my natural test level insnt what it used to be ,so i take 100 mg a week test e when off cycle.also i was thinking of taking tren for my next cycle,was thinking about 250 mg plus about 100 mg of test e just to maintain my test level.thanks graham

 

[palmers]

if the gear is good and the training is improving than its diet... either you need to switch up your routine and/or have more cals and/or a cleaner diet


but if you were takin 50mg of dbol/d you should have seen results even if it was just water weight. which makes me go to the first guys thread.. im thinkin its the gear

 

[MickeyKnox]

50mg of Dbol per day for 6wks will produce gains (water) even if you only walk around the block each day. Add to that 400 Deca and 600 Test?

Its your gear - no question.